Sunday, 12 April 2009

Schmidlin and the great fluoridation debate

Werner Schmidlin, a vocal proponent of the anti-fluoride lobby, highlight the reasons why we need to seriously consider the forced fluoridation of Queensland's domestic water supply.


Despite the gloomy outlook in all directions, I'd like to inject a bit more gloom and bring up the fluoridation issue again.

The deadline is nearing when we are forced to ingest sodium fluoride a hazardous waste product from the aluminium and fertiliser industries that will be added to our pristine drinking water.

I’m thinking back to the days when thalidomide, a sedative and hypnotic drug that was considered good for pregnant women, but it was withdrawn from sale after many years when it was discovered that it causes severe birth defects because it inhibits angiogenesis. Also way back asbestos and smoking was “healthy” but it took years again to tell that they were not.

Now this Queensland government tells how good sodium fluoride is for us and one has to wonder how many years it will take them before they read the overwhelming present-day evidence that it is not good for us and has no effect on tooth decay whatsoever and statistics on hand can prove that.

I have just read Jan Sharrock’s story in the Cairns Bulletin of how fluoride in the Townsville water affected her thyroid gland and played havoc with her health and made her move to Cairns only to be confronted again with this evil substance. However Jan is not alone, there are hundreds with thyroid problems and they certainly don’t look forward to have their physical discomfort attributed to fluoride ingestion exasperated.

Jan Sharrock is a committee member of our Cairns anti-fluoride group.

I have just read the book by Barry Groves, entitled; Fluoride. Drinking ourselves to death? Apart from the interesting statistics that prove there is no difference in tooth decay between the fluoridated and un-fluoridated communities around the world, another interesting discovery is, that mostly the English speaking countries, emanating from the USA, are hell-bent on fluoridating our water.

Another interesting read is the award winning journalist and former BBC producer Christopher Bryson's The Fluoride Deception. I haven’t read this yet, but my daughter in Brisbane, Sonja Hardy, has read it and sent me this summary:
  • “Do you enjoy tales of intrigue, conspiracy and corruption? Then The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson won’t disappoint. It’s a very well-written, meticulously researched exposé of the history of fluoridation, which Dr Robert Carton (formerly of the US Environmental Protection Agency) has described as “the greatest case of scientific fraud of this (20th) century, if not of all time”.
It’s a history of greed, collusion, personal aggrandizement, corporate and government cover-up,” littered with human tragedy and the tattered careers of scientists who dared to try to expose the truth.
  • “The Fluoride Deception reveals how a secretive group of powerful industries, all of which faced extensive litigation for fluoride pollution, collaborated with officials from the National Institute of Dental Research to launder fluoride’s public image.” It also points out the significant and wide-ranging health concerns of long-term consumption of even minute quantities of this poison, for its supposed benefit in preventing tooth decay.

There is growing scientific evidence that consuming fluoridated water provides little, if any benefit to dental health, and that the risks far outweigh any possible benefit.

If you value your health and that of your loved ones, educate yourself about water fluoridation, and help to spread the word. The Fluoride Deception is a good place to start.

I found it compulsive reading – as good as any conspiracy novel you’d ever read. Unfortunately, however, this is not a work of fiction.

38 comments:

Rita the Eta eater said...

Those that are too lazy to brush, and have bad teeth, vote YES for flouride. YES, lets flouridate everyone for the sake of the lazy few.

Tom Asquith said...

Werner Schmidlin is a person who reaches a conclusion and then goes looking for the evidence to support it. Clearly, there is lots of "evidence" out there which will support what he claims. But there is even more which doesn't.
Werner, just as an exercise in balance, try being the devil's advocate and reporting all you can find on the web supporting the addition of fluoride to our water. While there, find sites which claim smoking is NOT a health hazard, that Harold Holt went off in a Chinese submarine, and that aliens are watching us. It's all there, the weird and the wonderful masquerading as "fact". Finding the info is easy, the trick is sorting the fact from the fiction.

Jude Johnston said...

Werner uses Thalidomide as an example. Thalidomide did cause birth defects and it was no longer given to pregnant woman. Thalidomide is also used to treat people with Multiple Myeloma. From the bad came some good.
http://www.cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/results/thalidomide-multiple-myeloma0206

nyscof said...

Fluoridation Ineffective & Harmful, studies show

Fluoridation Opposition: Scientific, Respectable & Growing

Over 2,380 professionals urge the US Congress to stop water fluoridation until Congressional hearings are conducted, citing scientific evidence that fluoridation, long promoted to fight tooth decay, is ineffective and has serious health risks. See statement: http://www.fluorideaction.org/statement.august.2007.html.

Also, eleven Environmental Protection Agency employee unions representing over 7000 environmental and public health professionals called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people. (1a)

Last election day, 53 US cities rejected fluoridation joining a growing list of communities saying "No," to fluoridation. (1)

-- The Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment, Canada’s leading voice on environmental health issues, released a statement opposing fluoridation. (2)

-- The National Kidney Foundation dropped its fluoridation support replacing it with this caution: “Individuals with CKD [Chronic Kidney Disease] should be notified of the potential risk of fluoride exposure.” (3)

-- Researchers reporting in the Oct 6 2007 British Medical Journal indicate that fluoridation never was proven safe or effective and may be unethical. (4)

-- “A qualitative review of ...studies found a consistent and strong association between the exposure to fluoride and low IQ,” concluded Tang el al., in "Fluoride and Children’s Intelligence: A Meta-analysis” in Biological Trace Element Research (5)

-- Scientific American editors wrote in January 2008, "Some recent studies suggest that over-consumption of fluoride can raise the risks of disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland"

-- Dr. A. K. Susheela, a leading fluoride expert, explains in a video why US physicians overlook fluoride as a possible cause of diseases commonly caused by fluoride. http://tinyurl.com/Susheela

-- A study in the Fall 2008 Journal of Public Health Dentistry reveals that cavity-free teeth have little to do with fluoride intake. Researchers report, "The benefits of fluoride are mostly topical…while fluorosis is clearly more dependent on fluoride intake."

A Tennessee State legislator who is also an MD is urging all Tennessee Water Districts to stop fluoridation, reported a Tennessee newspaper on 11/29/08. At least 30 Tennessee water districts have already complied with his request.(6)

On 1/5/09, the Burlington Board of Health recommended that Burlington cease fluoridation because fluoridation can harm some people. (7)

On 1/6/09, a Canadian town, Drayton, stopped fluoridation, not to save money, but because it was in the best interests of residents, said the Mayor. (8)

On 2/10/2009 Skagit County, WA officials reversed their 2007 fluoridation decision. (9)

On 3/3/2009, Plainfield, Vermont bans fluoridation. (10)

The Arkansas Oral Health Director is accused of giving eight "false or misleading statements" on fluoridation to an Arkansas legislative Committee. (12)

Nobel Prize winner in Medicine, Dr. Arvid Carlsson, says, “Fluoridation is against all principles of modern pharmacology. It's really obsolete.”

Fluoride jeopardizes health - even at low levels deliberately added to public water supplies, according to data presented in a 2006 National Academy of Sciences' (NAS) National Research Council (NRC) report. Fluoride poses risks to the thyroid gland, diabetics, kidney patients, high water drinkers and others and can severely damage children's teeth. (11) At least three panel members advise avoiding fluoridated water.

“The NRC fluoride report dramatically changed scientific understanding of fluoride's health risks," says Paul Connett, PhD, Executive Director, Fluoride Action Network. "Government officials who continue to promote fluoridation must testify under oath as to why they are ignoring the powerful evidence of harm in the NRC report,” he added.

The Professionals’ Statement also references:

-- The new American Dental Association policy recommending infant formula NOT be prepared with fluoridated water.

-- The CDC’s concession that the predominant benefit of fluoride is topical not systemic.

-- CDC data showing that dental fluorosis, caused by fluoride over-exposure, now impacts one third of American children.

-- Major research indicating little difference in decay rates between fluoridated and non-fluoridated communities.

-- A Harvard study indicating a possible link between fluoridation and bone cancer.


The Environmental Working Group (EWG), a DC watchdog, revealed that a Harvard professor concealed the fluoridation/bone cancer connection for three years. EWG President Ken Cook states, “It is time for the US to recognize that fluoridation has serious risks that far outweigh any minor benefits, and unlike many other environmental issues, it's as easy to end as turning off a valve at the water plant.”

Adverse health effects of fluoride: http://www.FluorideAction.Net/health





References:



(1a) http://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/Press%20Release.%20Fluoride.htm

(1) http://www.fluoridealert.org/communities.htm

(2) http://www.fluoridealert.org/cape.html

(3) National Kidney Foundation, “Fluoride Intake in Chronic Kidney Disease,” April 15, 2008

http://www.kidney.org/atoz/pdf/Fluoride_Intake_in_CKD.pdf

(4) "Adding fluoride to water supplies," British Medical Journal, KK Cheng, Iain Chalmers, Trevor A. Sheldon, October 6, 2007



(5) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18695947?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

(6) http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2840202

(7) http://www.swabvt.org/node/300

(8) http://www.draytonvalleywesternreview.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1373584

(9) http://www.goskagit.com/home/article/commissioners_vote_to_halt_fluoride_program/

(10) http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20090303/NEWS0301/90303100/1009/NEWS01

(11) National Research Council (2003-2006): Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/epa/nrc/

(12) "State oral health director challenged over comments about fluoridation,"
March 10, 2009,by Kathryn Lucariello, Carroll County News
http://www.carrollconews.com/story/1509198.html

SOURCE: Fluoride Action Network http://www.FluorideAction.Net

illusion9 said...

This link www.pauapress.com/fluoride/files/1418.pdf accesses information about adverse health effects from fluoridation that The Establishment claims do not exist.

Via this link you can access, free, Dr Bruce Spittle's book "Fluoride Fatigue" that is sub-titled "Fluoride Poisoning: is fluoride in your drinking water and from other sources making you sick?"

Please turn to page 76 and read about the author who has received numerous medical awards and prizes.

Dr Spittle is the Managing Editor of "Fluoride" the official journal of the International Society for Fluoride Research and has meticulously referenced "Fluoride Fatigue" for the doubting Thomases who still think that fluoridation is safe for all.

illusion9 said...

Promoters of water fluoridation lie when they claim that fluoridated water does not increase the incidence of cancer.

I quote the US Attorney at Law Janie Evins: "In the early 1990's, with trials of 11, 14 and 40 days to allow for extensive expert witness testimony, courts in Illinois, Texas and Pennsylvania each came to the same conclusion: fluoride at one part per million in the water, a) aggravates existing illnesses, b) causes adverse health effects, and c) contributes to a significant increase in cancer deaths."

Attorney Evins wrote this in a legal letter dated 19/02/09 that she sent to the Oral Health Director of the Arkansas Department of Health, Dr Lynn Mouden who had made false claims about fluoridation in order to promote the practice.

The letter is accessible via this link http://fluoridealert.org/arkansas.2-19-09.letter.pdf and would be an eye-opener for those who believe the lies about fluoridation's safety that are peddled by the government and other promoters of water fluoridation.

Flouride Protesters are Nutz said...

The anti-flouride wackos are making me sleepy.

(Yawn).

Guess the people who see little green spacemen and visit Area 51 need a political cause, too. It's nutz.

illusion9 said...

To the person called ' Flouride Protesters are Nutz, are you sure its the enlightened people who prefer not to ingest poisonious medication via their water supply that is making you sleepy?
I would look into that if why you, its never safe to assume.

Blossom said...

I've researched the subject of fluoridation thoroughly and deeply regret dosing my children daily with an accumulative poison almost as poisonous as arsenic and more poisonous than lead.

Please use the following links and listen to the stunning 2-part video presentation on fluoride and cancer by Dr John Yiamouyiannis.

Dr Yiamouyiannis. had a PhD in biochemistry and, prior to his death, was a world-leading authority on the biological effects of fluoride. One leading fluoridationist admitted, "He appears brilliant - and dedicated." The American Dental Association cautioned its fluoridation speakers, "Running up against Yiamouyiannis is not recommended."

Part 1: Fluoride by Dr John Yiamouyiannis www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z-Y0kpm2Ok

Part 2: Fluoride and Cancer by Dr John Yiamouyiannis www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbgp0vbYoQU

Diana Buckland said...

No person of average intelligence or above, would want themselves, their babies, children, loved ones, or their pets, to consume Silicofluoride S6 /S7 poisons in their water supplies. The evidence of harm has been buried, suppressed, denied, covered-up, conflicts of interests/collusion/corruption have damaged the integrity of science, and industry frontmen are stacked everywhere and "influence" Governments and their interests, interested parties, research et al Have a look at Health Canada, Corrupt to the Core by a whistleblower, it is a world wide problem.

from: Diana Buckland, Kallangur, Queensland, Australia
Calling a Global Revolution and an immediate, permanent and irrevocable
end to SILICOFLUORIDE (S6/S7poisons) POISONING THE WATER SUPPLIES WITH
TOXIC WASTE SOURCED FROM INDUSTRY UNDER THE LONGEST RUNNING FRAUD IN
HISTORY (known as "WATER FLUORIDATION SCHEMES").

These are dangerous poisons & the Evidence of Harm in
The scientific, medical, dental & court evidence received in
worldwide submissions proving that fluoridation causes disease,
deaths, tooth decay & is useless & environmentally destructive
has been suppressed, buried & denied by Governments & their interests.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/33574

FLUORIDE-GATE cover-up http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/011508/opi_20080115024.shtml

Judge Flaherty’s statement “Proponents of fluoridation are absolutely
right about one thing; there is no real controversy about fluoridation
when the facts are heard by an open mind”.
http://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/629FINAL.htm

An example of Fluoride S6 Poison IN YOUR
WATER SUPPLIES http://www.redox.com/msds/data/sosili.html
http://www.waterloowatch.com/Index_files/Fluorosilicate%20Toxicity.pdf
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPDF/Fluorosilicates.pdf

Massive collusion, corruption & conflicts of interests http://afgen.com/fluoridation.html

Paul Connett's FLUORIDE ACTION NETWORK www.fluoridealert.org/
UK COUNCIL AGAINST FLUORIDATION www.ukcaf.org
QUEENSLANDERS FOR SAFE WATER www.qawf.org
FLUORIDE INFORMATION AUSTRALIA www.dianabuckland.webs.com
GOLD COAST WATERWATCH www.goldcoastwaterwatch.webs.com
CANADA - WATERLOOWATCH http://www.waterloowatch.com/
MCS-GLOBAL - Diana Buckland www.mcs-global.org
James Robert Deal, ATTORNEY, USA http://fluoride-class-action.com & http://fluorideclassaction.wordpress.com

PEOPLE'S CLASS ACTION TRUST www.peoplesclassaction.org
QUEENSLANDERS FOR SAFE WATER GOLD COAST www.thehealthvine.net

http://www.keepers-of-the-well.org/Highlights_Litigation.pdf
Our members review of evidence over the last eleven years,
including animal & human epidemiology studies, indicate a
causal link between fluoride/fluoridation & cancer, genetic
damage, neurological impairment & bone pathology.

SAY NO TO DRINKING SEWAGE & TOXIC SILICOFLUORIDES
http://www.merilynhaines.org/documents/QAWFbrochure.pdf
http://www.thehealthvine.net/DahlsRecycledWaterReport.pdf
http://www.abpac-australia.com/assets/sevenbarriers.pdf
http://www.abpac-australia.com/assets/notsafewater.pdf

ABPAC fighting for your democratic rights http://www.abpac-australia.com/

Ricardo Johansson ricardo@1062.org
Byron Shire Community Coordinator & United People Trustee
0417 489 293 www.willofthepeopleproject.net
www.upworldgov.org
Bringing Communities together to strengthen and improve

G Shultz, Atherton (sth) said...

Oh Diana, go brush your teeth, and get rid of all the germs and rubbish spewing out of your mouth!

Syd Walker said...

I've never been involved in the debate over flouridation and don't have a strong view about the science (I've never looked into it) - although I am dubious in general about compulsory mass medication.

What does strike me, after reading through comments so far on this article, is how the opponents have provided copious references; proponents, so far, seem to have responded only with scorn and abuse.

Where are the well-informed dentists, scientists and politicians who support compulsory flouridation? Why aren't they making a stronger case - or any case at all, for that matter?

Critics don't disppear because you ignore them.

jayalewis said...

Anonymous G Shultz, Atherton (sth) said...
Oh Diana, go brush your teeth, and get rid of all the germs and rubbish spewing out of your mouth!

Sun May 24, 12:03:00 PM

It's amazing how truth, makes the ignorant really gnash their teeth - and here, G Shultz takes to abusing a credible person... I challenge you G Shultz, to do some homework before you make such acidic, vile comments. Are you stating you know more, than all the Scientists (Nobel Peace winners included) and DENTISTS who are AGAINST fluoridation because it is a proven neuro-toxin, a waste poison from the Aluminium industry, that is now BANNED in 97% of European countries??? Well???

Why don't YOU G Shultz, go wash your filthy beligerant mouth out, with fluorosilicated chemical... but perhaps you like poisoned water?
Pity you don't give a damn about babies (who cannot eliminate more than 20% of Fluorosilicate); Renal patients (they don't use tap water in dialisis units - tell us 'why' G Shultz); or any people who already have their teeth - ingested Fluorosilicate does NOTHING to help teeth - it is only topical application, spat out after application, that works.

DO SOME HOMEWORK ! Click on every link Diane Buckland has provided, and look over the following links:

http://www.jaymahcreationsaustralia.com/fluorosilicate.htm
AND
http://www.jaymahcreationsaustralia.com/fluorosilicate.htm

jayalewis said...

2nd link to comment above (1st link repeated accidentally)
Try:

http://www.jaymahcreationsaustralia.com/letter2petakayecroft.htm

KitchenSlut said...

"Where are the well-informed dentists, scientists and politicians who support compulsory flouridation? Why aren't they making a stronger case - or any case at all, for that matter?"

http://www.ada.org.au/OralHealth/fln/flfaqs.aspx

Disclaimer: Kitchenslut's brother is a well informed highly qualified dentist who supports flouridation.

KitchenSlut said...

P.S. If you don't want flouridated water then get yourself a rainwater tank and also accept higher health insurance dental cover and dental costs for refusal so the rest of us dont pay for your dental costs. There is also an economic externality cost here that the rest of us will have to suffer with your unnecessarily distasteful toothy appearance ..... just like an ugly Glencorp building!

Diana Buckland said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Michael P Moore said...

Diana Buckland, please stop spamming this community Blog. We all welcome debate, but your relentless coping and pasting is become rather tedious.

Your comments will be removed in line with my Posting Policy

Sue Graham, Cairns said...

good 1 Mike.. I was thinking the same thing. These nutters who can't debate the subject... simply copy a heap of shit from somewhere on the net... any1 can do that.

Regardless of what side of the debate you sit on, this type of comment posting is lazy and doesn't not contribute to the conversation.

Good ridence Diana the Spammer!!!!!

sweetpea said...

Well informed Dentists:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/limeback.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp1EUAVPF_8

2000 PROFESSIONALS STATEMENTS TO END FLUORIDATION
The worlds experts speak up:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/professionals.statement.html

Also family of a dentist said...

Kitchenslut, if you want flouridated water, then go get tablets free from council.

Why should I and my family, who all all grown with healthy teeth, have flouride put in our water?

How about instead of using the ciosts involved in flouridating the water supply, be put to am ongoing campaign telling people to brush their teeth.

truthfreedomcompassion said...

All you foul minded, selfish folk who are so rude to people (Di Buckland comes to mind - what, you can't handle just two well thought out comments???? Spamming? Come off it.) And you have the audacity to go by disgusting names too, yet can't handle honest discussions you claim to support, that affect our health, including babies and renal patients. These attitudes are a disgrace to any kind of Democracy, and, any kind of truly Caring community.

Please go buy your own fluoride tablets if you wish, instead forcing your will upon EVERYONE ('whether we like it or not' - you're just like Cptn Bligh - her handmaiden puppets) and supporting BIG PHARMA and corrupted Governments in their quest to poison us all !

truthfreedomcompassion said...

Sorry to Di B. - just reread my comment..What I meant was, that Di comes to mind when the rude, selfish people can't handle two comments, and she is REMOVED for her referenced, up-to-date modern, caring comments.

Those rude folk, including the moderator, obviously are no more than handmaiden to Bligh's lies, and, Dentists who have only their pockets to line ie. vested interests. To all the GOOD DENTISTS who have a conscience, who have decided that longterm health is more important than money, absolutely wonderful.

Blogs are meant for discussion, from both sides. It is clear, that when comments are removed because the person is known as a supporter of long-term health, and anti-poison (I doubt there was any abuse in Di's comment, but perhaps the moderator didn't like forum members to have a reminder of all the latest Scientific data from the links supplied to do homework on, in her signature?)... well if this is the case, then, it is a severely biased forum...

Me? My only vested interest is my health, and that of my loved ones. All those who can only think of bright white pearlies, there is more to life than perfect teeth - I'd rather dentures, than holes in my kidneys !

KitchenSlut said...

This pernicious conspiracy to pollute our precious bodily fluids is an outrage! The Kitchenslut must accept tearfully that his amoral foul mind is no doubt a consequence of his enforced flouridation as a boy *sob* with no possible redemption?!

 " Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face. " - General Jack D. Ripper from Dr Strangelove: How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

Oh, 'also family of a dentist' flouride tablets from Council are not 'free' I believe I pay for them with my rates? Given a scientific consensus among the peer reviewed literature the economic case for who should be paying the community costs for refusing flouride is quite clear.Buy yourself a tank mate. I also note from the Dental Association link that flouride tablets are the most common source of flouride overdose.

cheesygrin said...

Well, at least overdosing at will be at thine own hand, not the governments on-masse.

Six months into this 'safe' scheme, we have had Australia's WORST flurosilicate overdose given to 1000's. Then, the Water people SAT ON IT. THEN, they deny any symptoms if anyone dared say anything. And the government has done it's best to cover up all the untruths, the wrong dates, and, the supposed dosage.

What will happen with recycled sewerage when that goes in?

Buy your own tablets mate - just watch your dose, cause I sure as hell, cannot monitor mine (food, drinks, tinned foods, hot days when needing more water etc, etc); and while you're at it, tell the govt to stop taking Belgiums toxic waste for money please - people in the community don't want it.

KitchenSlut said...

" Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face. " - General Jack D. Ripper from Dr Strangelove: How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

Sorry link didn't work will try again .....

cheesygrin said...

Kitchen Slut: Have you ever held someone in your arms, who is dying from kidney disease?

Or, Cancer? Kids in pain, with no hair, and death in their eyes... it's not a good look for a little one.

http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/fluoride/adverse.htm
(yes, it's scientifically referenced information)

Love the bomb?

Creep !

The only thing I've seen here, is a demeaning and degrading of love, and, precious life.

Noj Nedlaw said...

With regards to removing the Diana Buckland post from this thread.

The Blog administrator was quite within his rights to remove this post. Exactly the same post went on

Labor are puppets on a string

To my way of thinking posting an identical comment on more than one thread is spam!

Diane has not been censored, she has had her unique comment appear on the blog; but only once.

colin riddell said...

I don,t know the big deal is .
I am a former victorian and we have had fluride in our water for years and ,we love all you gap teeth bad breath northern queenslanders , some of you have some of the best fitting dentures I have ever seen !

also family of a dentist said...

Colin, Kitchenslut must be one of those with gapped teeth and bad breath, thats why he wants flouridation. Maybe he's too lazy to brush. But if his teeth are so bad I still fail to see why those of us with good teeth need flouride in our water.

And Kitchenslut, if the tablets are so bad, then why don't you just bruch your teeth twice a day. Its worked for me, and I've lived with Cairns' non-flouridated water my whole life.

Dutchie said...

I don't like the government forcing me to consume anything - whether it's good or bad for me. It is against my basic (liberal) principles.

My concern is also that this adding of fluor to water sets a dangerous precedent. What's next? Vitamins?

I propose a state-wide referendum on this issue, which is clearly very controversial. In a democratic society, what the majority wants should be the go. You will only find out what the people want when you get the opinion from the silent majority that don't blog, write letters, texts etc. And if the majority wants fluor, well then I may just have to get a rainwater tank indeed.

Kitchenslut, may I point out to you that the whole idea of collective health care (public or private) is that we all pay for each other's medical treatments? You are pulling the debate to the arena of, should be pay for cardiac treatment of someone who only eats hamburgers and fries? What about the person that needs treatment for lung cancer due to smoking? This is another issue altogether in my view.

And really, if the government is serious about dental health, then why is it not included in Medicare? Or, why isn't there an option, for a nominal fee, to have dental health included in Medicare for those who can't afford private health care?

S. Northy said...

Back in the 1970s, the then Cairns City Council, voted AGAINST fluoridation of the water supply. (I think the Council was either the Crathern or De Jarlais led Councils.)
Cairns went through this entire debate way back then and the overwhelming opinion of people was "NO TO FLUORIDE."

KitchenSlut said...

For the small sin of supporting fluoridation I have now been accused of bad breath, gapped teeth, a foul mind, questionable morality, family connections questioned, and posed the emotional blackmail of whether i have seen anyone die of kidney disease as though this was relevant?!

Can we see a pattern here?

Well to the last the answer is yes and the only time i have ever kissed a man on the lips was in the seconds after my Dad passed away in probably the most emotional moment of my life (he lived most of his life on untreated tank water) ultimately as a result of renal tumour and kidney failure although thankfully at those moments we all know that good GP’s do their euthanasia bit!

Mind you I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing on Cairnsblog and is more likely positive for it exposes a morality that is hidden only to come out and play with phenomena like Pauline Hanson and the fruitloops of society that need to be more openly exposed and questioned regularly rather than waiting for the ugly exposures.

I’m curious about many accusatory comments here and re family my brother is actually a well qualified dentist and an examiner on the board for a principal professional body! That’s irrelevant because what is obvious is that any debate on science is also irrelevant? Oh, please! I don’t claim absolute victory on this scientifically but rather that posted comments confirm that science is irrelevant and morality premium?

For the anti fluoridationists here there is little science but much morality! The sanctimoniously named ‘truthfreedomcompassion’even has the pretencious morality to distinguish between good dentists and bad based on their support for fluoride? Seriously? Does George Dubya live still in the fluoride debate?

Even more confusing is the accusation that amoral unenlightened dentists somehow benefit from fluoridation? Huh? How? As far as I know even the opponents haven’t questioned the benefits to dental care but claim other side effects? The disturbing moral elements exposed here are simply disgusting!

Yes, it is obviously a moral rather than scientific issue for those most fervent! I proudly defend the Kitchenslut brand from assault here and the name has no sleaziness or disrespect for women, rather the reverse, it was derived from a London Review of Books publication of personals where a woman profiled herself as a ‘slut in the kitchen and a chef in the bedroom’. Intended as a tongue in cheek celebration of life apparently lost on many? Too many puritanical wowserish comments here recently from fluoridation to Carnivale?

Regardless I will defer to the greatest improviser of the language in his day .....

Clo. Truly, and to cast away honesty upon a foul slut were to put good meat into an unclean dish.

Aud. I am not a slut though I thank the Goddess I am foul.

William Shakespeare, As You Like It

P.S. hmmm wonder if Bill would allow me the privilege of reversing foul and slut in those lines?

Suzy said...

I am 48 years old, grew up in Adelaide (dont tell anybody), we had flouride in our water and I'm not dead yet!

Sonja Hardy, Shailer Park, Logan said...

KitchenSlut, if you were to do a bit of reading about the topic – perhaps on some of the links provided by other bloggers – you might discover that water fluoridation was a scam from the beginning.

Google Christopher Bryson to see this award winning investigative journalist interviewed about his meticulously researched book, The Fluoride Deception. The myth that water fluoridation is safe and effective continues to be perpetuated by those with vested interests.

According to Dr Hardy Limeback, Professor of Preventive Dentistry at Toronto University, more money is spent on treatment of dental fluorosis – which is caused by fluoride - than on dental decay. And we can expect more than 30% of children who grow up in fluoridated areas to suffer from this disfiguring condition, which is not just a cosmetic problem, but an outward sign that other parts of the body have been affected by fluoride toxicity.

There is also clear evidence from a study done in the United Kingdom that in areas that have been fluoridated for a significant amount of time, there are more dentists, and the expenditure per head of population on dental work is greater. (See pages 172 – 175 of Fluoride: Drinking ourselves To Death? by Barry Groves). No wonder so many dentists support fluoridation.

Dutchie said...

Kitchenslut, unfortunately, this debate on such a non-emotive substance as fluoride, has become very emotional.

Your arguments can be easily reversed; why not add fluor to your own drinking water and let me consume whatever I want to?I have nothing against fluoride, I reaped the benefits from my parents giving me a fluor tablet every night when I was a child and decent (medicare covered) dental care (and even dental education in schools) while I lived in Holland, where by the way, in the seventies, it was ruled that the government has no right to interfere with the rights of the individual (to decide what it wishes to consume).

Again, I am not anti fluoride; I brush my teeth with it daily. I am anti a government forcing me to consume anything, no matter what it is!

Bob said...
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Lorna said...

Someone mentioned kidney problems
you might be interested in this.

FLUORIDATION OF COMMUNITY WATER ACTUALLY CAUSES KIDNEY DISEASE
Kidney damage and fluoride