Comments on CairnsBlog.net: A tale of three broadcasters

Ps. "It was a bunch of pissed off Muslims who flew...

2008-01-03T19:16:00.000+10:00

Ps. "It was a bunch of pissed off Muslims who flew planes into wtc, anyone who thinks otherwise is a retard!"
Who could argue with that. You convinced me.

furthermore, the song More Than A Feeling details ...

2008-01-03T13:38:00.000+10:00

furthermore, the song More Than A Feeling details the feelings of the terrorist who was as the controls of the 2nd plane that hit wtc, the name marianne in the song is code for Mohamed. Listen to lyrics and u will see. "I closed my eyes and I slipped away." The "More than a feeling" line refers to the moment the plane hit the tower and the instant of anticipation of achieving and passing into eternal paradise. Note the exhilaration the terrorist-pilot felt was from the anticpation of his glory, for the actual eventual occurrance of this is, of course, unknown. This instant of exhilaration lasted just the instant for the terroritst-pilot but it was so great he would swap his first love for it.

Ps. "It was a bunch of pissed off Muslims who flew planes into wtc, anyone who thinks otherwise is a retard!"

9/11 was a string theory mechanics event, if one l...

2008-01-03T13:18:00.000+10:00

9/11 was a string theory mechanics event, if one listens to More Than a Feeling by Boston backwards there are references to 9/11 and wtc in it, and this song was recorded in mid-70s!

Talk to as many Americans as you can....the majori...

2008-01-03T11:14:00.000+10:00

Talk to as many Americans as you can....the majority are now very suspicious of the Bush Administration.

THE MISSING DEMOLITON CREW?? I recall reading whe...

2008-01-03T11:05:00.000+10:00

THE MISSING DEMOLITON CREW?? I recall reading where, during the digging of Ground Zero, excavators came across a collapsed tunnel under WTC7 which contained the skeletal remains of many people.
My immediate thought was, "Was this the demolition crew/witnesses??" herded up and locked into a tunnel, to die and ever be silent.

Peter, there are many errors and misconceptions in...

2008-01-03T11:04:00.000+10:00

Peter, there are many errors and misconceptions in your post. For you to say no plane hit the Pentagon makes me believe you MUST have been onsite on the day, where you? One can finds heaps either way in 9/11 on the net, all is meaningless because of this. I can't stand it when people present what is just their opinion as fact. Qualify people!

Chuck Guiteau said... "If you are looking for the ...

2008-01-03T02:28:00.000+10:00

Chuck Guiteau said...

"If you are looking for the truth, you might want to start by not misrepresenting the facts."

As you do?

"“Pull” is not a demolitions term, it is a firefighters term, and means “pull all personnel back to safe distance (abandon efforts)."

Actually, about misrepresenting, you should inform yourself first. Listen to the Silverstein interview, he says "I think we'll have to pull IT".

Now if he were actually talking about personel and firemen, he would've said pull THEM out. He doesn't say, "we'll have to pull", he said "we'll have to pull IT"

And "pull" IS a control demolition lingo.

"WTC7 did not collapse unexpectedly. The firefighters, after performing a transit survey, realized that parts of the building were out of plumb, sagging and in danger of collapse. This was hours before the event took place."

Wrong. This would have caused a dissymmetric collapse. Also, only parts of the building were affected. But it fell at almost freefall speed. 6.7 seconds to be precise. Now check up a well-known law of physics called the path of least resistance (also look up where the actual fires were and you will see that this building, if caused by the fires, should have fallen on its side and not on its footprint).

Considering all three towers collapse. The law of resistance is not applied. The 'experts' call it a progressive collapse. The use of the word progressive is used because the underlying structure offers resistance which would cause a much lenghtier collapse time frame. They have offered up the answer that "the kenetic energy from the upper part was enough to completely eliminate any resistance from the structure" which is totally laughable. A pityful rounded-up answer to obfuscate the issue.

I suggest you watch Richard Gage's presentation on all three tower's collapse.

"WTC7 was in full conflagration on a number of floors, while others were seriously damaged from the fall of WTC1, including a 10-story hole in the outer wall. To say that it suffered no damage and the fire was localized is deliberately untruthful."

Yes, and many other buildings were even more affected by the twin collapses and yet they haven't fallen. Might it be because none of these other buildings were 1- owned by Silverstein thru his lease for the WTC complex to the NY port authority 2- didnt have CIA offices 3- didnt have SEC offices with important records partaining to the Enron scandal.

Fires don't make collumns go away. Only a minimal number of collumns (main) were damaged as per the FEMA reports.

"WTC7 did not fall neatly into its own footprint. It damaged buildings 70 yards away."

Any control demolition with a 47-story (this is not a small building) will cause debris to go in a range of up to a 100 yards.

By this admission, I can clearly see you haven't watched the many videos of the collapse of WTC 7. It is clearly falling neatly into place. There isn't even the slightest angle to its descent, and yet you say it didn't fell into its footprint...?

Am I to assume that a 47 story building collapsing from whatever means (even the best control demolition) won't make debris go further than the lenght of a football field??? The building itself was 2.5 times the lenght of a football field. (insert sarcasm smiley)

""No explosive detritus was found in the aftermath, in any of the building’s rubble, including WTC7. All were investigated, by the FBI crime lab, the NY State crime lab, NYPD and FDNY, both of which had police, investigators and other specialists on scene for weeks. Not one UX cap, not one shock tube, not one copper backplate were found.""

BZZZZZZZZZZZT! Wrong again Mr disinformer. 1- Iron oxide pellets were found. 2- Firemen have witness accounts of explosions in the building (as with WTC 1 and 2). 3- And heat analysis of the WTC complex have shown high tempatured spots (over 1600 F) in the underground a month after 9-11. Pools of molten lava were found in all three undergrounds (eyewitness accounts from firemen + plus heat survey over WTC complex.. .all readily available on the web).

""No nitrate signature was identified. This is absolute proof that no explosives were used, since it cannot be explained away with the usual “they were in on it” dodge. Modern detection equipment works in the 1-2 picogram range and is available to anyone, including all the above-mentioned agencies, plus insurance investigators and private laboratories.""

I hope you know you can make explosives WITHOUT nitrate or its consequent residues?? You're quite quick to put the "absolute proof" tag on that one. Also, I hope you are aware of the effectivness of thermate. Thermate alone could have been used.

"Please don’t take my word for any of this, use your zeal for the truth and verify it all independently."

For sure I won't take your word for it. I mean, you actually think an office fire (and damage) could make a 750 tower fall in 6.7 seconds without sending debris at more than 70 yards from the building...

My zeal for the truth compared to yours seems like an elephant compared to a rodent. You being the latter.

I can't let the last comment be a 9/11 "official s...

2008-01-02T18:43:00.000+10:00

I can't let the last comment be a 9/11 "official story " shill.
Two points only, no need to go over every think again point by point, though I and many others could.
Point 1.(quote)5. PoliticalSpazz said: “Collapsing WTC7 was a case of destroying the evidence, so the Zionist owners would…collect on the massive insurance fraud.”

Silverstein is well out of pocket despite the insurance payout. See http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/larrysilverstein%3Ainsuranceprofitmotive%3F(end quote)
Larry Silverstein may have had substantial out of pocket expense with redeveloping that property, if he had gone about it in the ordinary way. But since 9/11 was a "terrorist attack" federal, state and local money payed for the removal of debris and supplied the workforce to do it. With no medical liability for those workers who have been dieing from exposure ever since.
point2.(quote)10. Gene Stewart said: “How did three buildings fall down when no other high rises in history have ever collapsed in such a way...”

Not many other buildings have been struck by large jets loaded with fuel and traveling at high speed(end quote)
Building # 7 wasn't hit by a plane at any speed.
People do your own research. But if you are starting off with the assumption that government is our friend, you may not want to bother.
We've come to a fork in the road. We should take it. (thanks Yogi).

Many sheeple are betting on Ron Paul. I on the ot...

2008-01-02T07:58:00.000+10:00

Many sheeple are betting on Ron Paul. I on the other hand am very cautious and concerned. What better way to get someone behind their man than to let the people think that they are against him. They have been doing this for centuries. They infiltrated the peace movement of the 60/70's, they have pretty much infiltrated everything else. Sheeple have to realize that Ron Paul has been inside the Beltway for 10 terms. If I am wrong then I am wrong, if Ron Paul supporters are wrong then they are in for a rude awakening. There are only the globalists and the sheeple. As long as the sheeple stay divided the globalists will win. There are way too many generals among the sheeple and some of them are from the elite.

G’day everyoneIt’s sad to read many errors and mis...

2008-01-01T14:15:00.000+10:00

G’day everyone

It’s sad to read many errors and misconceptions in the comments here, so I thought I’d offer a few suggestions for people to check up.

Cheers, and Happy New Year.

1. Juanita Neilson said: “I stayed up all night 9/11 watching live, there was a report with footage showing flight 93 landing & passengers disembarking. This plane never crashed as later reported.”

That was a case of misreporting in the confusion of the day. See http://www.911myths.com/html/93_landed_in_cleveland.html

2. “Also it was obvious no plane hit pentagon.”

The evidence a plane hit the Pentagon is very clear. Remnants of the plane and of its passengers were removed from the site. See http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon.html

3. Anonymous (30.12 2.56pm) said: “I am confident that myself along with many other BBQ coinsures in our great nation would be more then grateful to know if physics has changed, if steels melting point has dropped…”

Steel didn’t need to melt for the buildings to collapse. See http://www.debunking911.com/fires.htm

4. “…if high concentrations of sulfur is not a residue that relates directly thermate.”

Thermate isn’t the only potential source of sulphur. See http://www.911myths.com/html/traces_of_thermate_at_the_wtc.html

5. PoliticalSpazz said: “Collapsing WTC7 was a case of destroying the evidence, so the Zionist owners would…collect on the massive insurance fraud.”

Silverstein is well out of pocket despite the insurance payout. See http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/larrysilverstein%3Ainsuranceprofitmotive%3F

6. Richard Carpenter said: “Did you hear the one about nineteen Arabs with box cutters and a guy with a towel on his head? Some kooks think these people did 9/11 by themselves.”

What exactly is the problem with nineteen people using edged weapons to take control of four planes?

7. Anonymous (30.12 3.30pm) said: “Nobody has explained the record volume of put options placed on American and United just before 9/11…”

Have you read this article and its links? See http://www.911myths.com/html/put_options.html

8. Michael Mazur said: “…have a look at the still smoking WTC ruins pics with the steel upright stumps cut at 45 degrees, so absolutely characteristic of controlled demolition practice…”

Also characteristic of being cut during the clean up.

9. Michael Randallbard said: “I saw a video filmed only half an hour before tower 7 was demolished by explosives where Guiliani and also firefighters were yelling for people to back way because "it's going to collpase". Of course Silverstein and Guiliani knew the plan way before.”

Also explained by the amount of damage the building sustained in the collapses of WTCs 1 and 2.

10. Gene Stewart said: “How did three buildings fall down when no other high rises in history have ever collapsed in such a way...”

Not many other buildings have been struck by large jets loaded with fuel and travelling at high speed.

11. Anonymous (31.12 5.47am) said: “The main WTC's both collapsed in under 10 seconds. That is free fall speed, the same speed as it would take for a golf ball to hit the ground.”

Video evidence suggests it took quite a bit longer than that. See http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall__video_evidence.html

And no, I'm no Bush supporter. I wonder whether he could find sand at the beach, or remember what he had for breakfast without the cook reminding him.

And that's why I think 9/11 wasn't an inside job.

Well Monty, I guess like any forum, there are thin...

2008-01-01T10:55:00.000+10:00

Well Monty, I guess like any forum, there are things that you interested in and things you aren'nt.

Not everything on teh ABC nor Channel 10 interests you I dare say.. so what do you do? Switch the channel, or switch it off.

EgdeHill Ernie

This Blog had so much potential for discussing rel...

2008-01-01T10:40:00.000+10:00

This Blog had so much potential for discussing relevant issues about the present and future of Cairns. With all this totally unsupported rehashed conspiracy crap obviously this is the wrong place to find intelligent discussion. Is this your Blog Mr Moore or Sid whatshisname's? Perhaps he could start his own and take his followers with him?
You are obviously a talented writer so why allow this Blog to be comandeered by stuff that would have been found in an old 'Melbourne Truth' newspaper?

Brahdoo,At least you are open to a few matters. Th...

2008-01-01T10:09:00.000+10:00

Brahdoo,
At least you are open to a few matters. There is a video; either mysteries of 911 (Google it 1.5 hours) of Loose Change (2nd Ed. Final cut being released now) In one of those vieos there is an interview with a banker(?) who had five floors of computers in one of the WTCs. He said that there was notice of a 'power down' and that went ahead in the week or so before 9/11. He said that people were trundling cables through the building for "an internet upgrade". There were no security cameras etc. I think it was the janitor, Rodrigeus who said a floor was locked off and workers noticed dust from some sort of work each day. Also, the "sniffer" dogs were taken out the week before 9/11. So there are some hints to suggest that 100s of workers would not have been needed to place the charges. Then when you have examned all that, google "five Danccing Israelis". See their interview on Israeli TV, they were there to "document the event". Pity that all the photos etc that they took were not released by the police who arrested them. Must go, and let you get on with your research, In two weeks you might be able to determine beyond reasonable doubt that that the buildings were "blown up". For technical matters go to journal of 9/11 scholars. As for JB being "too" dumb, that is not relevant, he just does as he is told, probably by Uncle Dick..look up Norman Mineta's testimony to the Congresional committe. Sorry, but I could go on for hours, just put your head down and make up your own mind, then realise that the continuing aiders and abettors in the treasonous murder are the MSM.
See also 911blogger.com for 5 minutes each day to keep up with developments.
Mallee.
PS previous attempt at a post was a bit hot eh?

Richard Porter, Head of News, BBC World at the web...

2008-01-01T03:48:00.000+10:00

Richard Porter, Head of News, BBC World at the website you linked:
"We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it."

So the BBC LOST its footage of 9/11?? The most important defining event of recent history and you LOST the footage?? And you expect us to believe that? And why don't you look for the "recording of your output" on YouTube like everybody else?

"Conspiracy" doesn't even begin to cover what this global criminal gang is up to.

BTW Silverstein said "pull IT". IT does not mean "firefighters". IT means the building. That's why IT is in the singular.

How about having an Honest New Year, America? Your evil government did it to justify War for Israel and to make money.

greetings from hapax

Sibel Edmonds, former translator for the FBI has h...

2008-01-01T02:39:00.000+10:00

Sibel Edmonds, former translator for the FBI has had a state's secrets order placed upon her.

Google to find out why anything she knows related to 9/11 cannot be told atm.

Hey congrats guys you made it onto whatreallyhapp...

2008-01-01T02:23:00.000+10:00

Hey congrats guys you made it onto whatreallyhappened.com
a damn fine website it is too!
also I will post the link onto here.... http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/70073-9-11-truth-manifesto-8.html?posted=1#post914129

You don't give us enough credit here in the states...

2008-01-01T01:40:00.000+10:00

You don't give us enough credit here in the states. The "official" 911 Report doesn't mention Bldg. 7 at all. For something that weighs 3lbs. you'd think it could get a mention.

WTC 7 was not mentioned by the 911 Commission.NIST...

2008-01-01T00:05:00.000+10:00

WTC 7 was not mentioned by the 911 Commission.

NIST (National Institute of Standards & Techonology) was charged with producing a full explanation of all 3 buildings collapse. A 10,000 page report was written on WTC 1 & 2 and only 1 paragrah was written on actual collapse. That is around 0.005% of the whole research effort. NISTs excuse was that they only researched up until "collapse initiation". This was not the full account they were charged with creating. The report on WTC has still not been completed by NIST.

NIST then contracted a company called ARA to reseach WTC7, they passed it on like a hot potato.

NISTs request to ARA was this (paraphrasing), "determine the collapse mechanisms by looking between floors 8-46 only. Hold on, this is a 47 story building. Any demolition company you speak to will tell you the lower floors and sub floors is what they work on to get the collapse to start. So they are telling ARA not to look at the most important data.

This is just a small sample of the lies and convenient ommissions that NIST/FEMA & the 911 Commission made on building 7.

And a quick word to all the people out there that think I am a conspiracy theorist.
Open your eyes, stop making broad assumptions of which you know very little about, and wake up before it is too late. I am a member of this group www.stj911.org and we were conspiracy theorist until all this was proven, now it is conspiracy fact.

There are hundreds of other groups looking and proving all sorts of things on 911, get educated please.

After 67 posts, at last a negative comment that is...

2007-12-31T22:44:00.000+10:00

After 67 posts, at last a negative comment that is courteous and seemingly contains substantive criticisms.

Chuck Guiteau said...

If you are looking for the truth, you might want to start by not misrepresenting the facts....

Unfortunately, Chuck, you haven't provided a single reference to back up the various claims you make.

Could you help our your readers with relevant links that support your assertions, so we can better assess their worth?
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Bradhoo wrote:

i just dont think bush and company is smart enough to pull something like this off.

Let's hope they aren't :-)

Some helpful resources for confused conspiracists:...

2007-12-31T22:28:00.000+10:00

Some helpful resources for confused conspiracists:

WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction

WTC 7 Engineering investigation papers and collapse hypotheses: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/wtc7engineeringpapers%2Ccollapsehypotheses

Deceptive claims made about WTC 7 by conspiracists, collapse expected by all, expert witnesses (video): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2873871255585611926#19m35s

If you are looking for the truth, you might want t...

2007-12-31T20:45:00.000+10:00

If you are looking for the truth, you might want to start by not misrepresenting the facts.

“Pull” is not a demolitions term, it is a firefighters term, and means “pull all personnel back to safe distance (abandon efforts).

WTC7 did not collapse unexpectedly. The firefighters, after performing a transit survey, realized that parts of the building were out of plumb, sagging and in danger of collapse. This was hours before the event took place.

WTC7 was in full conflagration on a number of floors, while others were seriously damaged from the fall of WTC1, including a 10-story hole in the outer wall. To say that it suffered no damage and the fire was localized is deliberately untruthful.

WTC7 did not fall neatly into its own footprint. It damaged buildings 70 yards away.

No explosive detritus was found in the aftermath, in any of the building’s rubble, including WTC7. All were investigated, by the FBI crime lab, the NY State crime lab, NYPD and FDNY, both of which had police, investigators and other specialists on scene for weeks. Not one UX cap, not one shock tube, not one copper backplate were found.

No nitrate signature was identified. This is absolute proof that no explosives were used, since it cannot be explained away with the usual “they were in on it” dodge. Modern detection equipment works in the 1-2 picogram range and is available to anyone, including all the above-mentioned agencies, plus insurance investigators and private laboratories.

Please don’t take my word for any of this, use your zeal for the truth and verify it all independently.

Here is a 3 min vid of Bernazir Bhutto being inter...

2007-12-31T20:32:00.000+10:00

Here is a 3 min vid of Bernazir Bhutto being interviewed by David Frost, where she talks of Osama Bin Ladens MURDER! Why didnt David Frost pass a comment? Any Reporter worth his merit should have jumped on it..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

http://911guide.googlepages.com/danielnigro

2007-12-31T17:27:00.000+10:00

http://911guide.googlepages.com/danielnigro

Also the fact that on 09/10/01 Donald Rumsfailed s...

2007-12-31T17:18:00.000+10:00

Also the fact that on 09/10/01 Donald Rumsfailed said that the Pentagon has misplaced 2.3 TRILLION dollars and the next day 9/11 so nobody dare ask about the missing money. And that the towers fell 10 stories a second. And some high up who worked in WTC 7 said sometime after 9:00am that there were bodies in the lobby of WTC 7. The stand down order given by the Dick and the town hall meeting 2 months after 9/11 where Bush said he saw the first plane hit on a TV at the school. He said "Before he went into the classroom that the TV was obviously on and he saw the first plane hit and thought to himself that must be one terrible pilot. Now what station had their cameras on the WTC before the planes hit? And better yet what poor school has cable? But before entering the school the reporters asked him if he knew what was happening in New York? He said he will talk about it later and proceeded to go into the school. Go to whatreallyhappened.com to find this gem of a lie in Bush's movements on the day of 9/11. And we all know where he was when the second plane hit so again where did he see the first plane?

i am skeptical of the whole official 9/11 story. b...

2007-12-31T16:25:00.000+10:00

i am skeptical of the whole official 9/11 story. but when i think about if the buildings really were demolished by explosives, then that means it had to be rigged and set up for weeks, or months, whatever.

ok stay with me here...

so wouldnt that mean that hundreds of demolition experts would have to be sweeping the two towers and placing explosives in key areas.

when would they have time to do this? how could they do this undetected in "the city that never sleeps"?

and the biggest thing...

i have thought about it and thought about it for years now, and i just dont think bush and company is smart enough to pull something like this off. by implying the attacks were planned, that means that literally thousands of people had to be involved. not one so far has felt the weight of guilt on their conscience, enough to talk?

i dont argue that there is some type of coverup. but to say it was planned like this, more evidence is needed; right now, its all speculative. and i am skeptical of both sides.