Comments on CairnsBlog.net: Mayor Byrne's Clifton Beach re-design

To the poster 'BOYCOTT JATTKE WILD ANIMAL PARK...

2009-06-25T22:19:17.006+10:00

To the poster 'BOYCOTT JATTKE WILD ANIMAL PARK!' - You idiot- it now belongs to his ex wife. Get off your arse and find the facts before you start advocating dumb boycotts over your misguided and uninformed ideals.

haahaha! that's funny kitchenslut. further,...

2009-06-25T21:50:19.444+10:00

haahaha!

that's funny kitchenslut.

further, misuse of "your" and "you're" gives me the shits.

is spelling and correct grammar really that difficult you idiots?

I'm sick of wingers too! Prop forwards? Half ...

2009-06-25T20:58:26.558+10:00

I'm sick of wingers too!

Prop forwards? Half backs? Fine by me! But Wingers?

No way! Avoid buying any property next to a Winger you will only lose!

It really sounds like the majority of you would ra...

2009-06-25T19:14:15.282+10:00

It really sounds like the majority of you would rather have community housing right next door, be thankfull that it won't be that that you have to look at every day.

Alot of people are working on that site and it is only going to put the value up on your own property not bring it down, I have seen the houses surrounding the site in question and they are nothing special.

Why buy property next to a vacant lot in the first place surely your not all too slow to see that Cairns is getting bigger and that its only a matter of time before it gets developed on??

As for all the greenies, would you rather the land be cleared for a few houses or for apartments to house more people?????

Get over it and find something with good reason to winge about!!!!!!!

Lets get a few things right:
1) Clifton Viwes ...

2008-10-08T23:37:00.000+10:00

Lets get a few things right:
1) Clifton Viwes and Clifton Waters are an eye-sore; Typical of recent developments in Cairns Beaches- they look cheap; they have no views of the beach and are crammed together so closely- you will be able to hear your neighbour very easily- its like Hong Kong.
2) The Developers, do not have a good reputation in looking after their clients in after sales service- do yourselves a favour and find another investment area

Maybe the new Regional Council should look at intr...

2008-03-01T15:41:00.000+10:00

Maybe the new Regional Council should look at introducing a defined urban foot print to the Cairns Plan. The Douglas Shire has one. Before anyone (especially factman) starts ranting and raving at me, I would like to acknowledge that The Douglas Plan is not perfect. Port Douglas has been over supplied with appalling new developments too (Coconut Grove for example), and still we have a shortage of affordable housing. Most of these new developments are purchased as investment properties, they are most certainly not affordable to the average hospitality worker here. Affordable housing is a nation wide problem and needs to be addressed with consideration given to many factors, including the "drivers" of the construction industry.

Factman ... $641 per week for an appartment. If y...

2007-12-31T12:57:00.000+10:00

Factman ... $641 per week for an appartment. If you think this is affordable, maybe you should get a job with the rest of us for a while. Although the recorded average wage is what you say a miner earns per week, not many people actually earn that amount of money. I know a few miners, and they dont even earn that sort of money. I think that Kev and his bum boy factman need to walk into Coles, Woolies, and a few of the shops in the centre of town, and just ask a few of the workers how much money they actually earn. They will probabely tell you they are earning the real average wage of only $400 to $500 a week. Which wouldnt even cover the mortgage payment, let alone the rates, insurance, body corporate fees, electricity, food and the rest of the living expences. This just goes to show that the people who have the control of Cairns really do live in their own little world and should be told to move on.

Factman I think you need to re-read the Cairns Pla...

2007-12-31T12:54:00.000+10:00

Factman I think you need to re-read the Cairns Plan, particularly the secton on Description and Intent for the Cairns Beaches District and the paragraph that says "Clifton Beach is intended to remain primarily as an area for conventional residential living. Several areas in the central part of the suburb are identified for tourist accommodation and medium density residential living, consistent with the established pattern of uses and planning intent."
Intent is probably the operative word here as well. I was one who made a lot of assumptions. I read into the "intent" that the tourist and Medium Density would be the likes of Agincourt. I also thought it might mean having Cabins built in the two Caravan Parks. I also at that time believed that our Councillor truly was one of the people. Oh how wrong can one be and I know "to assume makes an ass out of you and me." But there you are, I am a simple soul with no hidden agenda's. Had I known that Mr Hedley and another Developer were going to change the "intent" and buy up the Caravan Parks to turn into ghetto's then I probably would've been a lot more proactive than I was.

Factmans comments above are further proof of the s...

2007-12-31T12:44:00.000+10:00

Factmans comments above are further proof of the small box that he and the mayor and other Unity team members live in. What a knob though? In another comment he defends these high-density apartment saying they are affordable for all, now is caught out with what they actually cost, and is proud that high-income mine workers can afford them. Factman, keep up your comments you tool. You are doing more damage to your mate Byrnesy's reputation than money can buy. Ha ha.

Hey Factman,

Our Mayor is not an ex-Major, ...

2007-12-31T12:08:00.000+10:00

Hey Factman,

Our Mayor is not an ex-Major, he is a Major (Rtd). He is entitled to use the rank, well earned and honourably served, if he so wishes. The FACT is that the Queens Commission is conferred for life, and can only be revoked by order of the Sovereign.

As to him being an ex-Mayor, now Mayor.... that title is conferred by the People, and can be revoked by the People. Whether he is deserving of retaining that title will be decided on the Ides of March

Dear Mr Factman, if you are indeed who most people...

2007-12-31T11:51:00.000+10:00

Dear Mr Factman, if you are indeed who most people believe you to be, then as Manager of Community Relations you have done a most magnificent job in epitomizing the leadership qualities of our present Council. There could be no better confirmation of why this Council no longer deserves the support of the Cairns community. Not because Council makes mistakes, we all make mistakes and not because of incompetency but because of the utter contempt it holds for the people it serves.

"$2,591.00 for monthly repayments???"
Yep ... t...

2007-12-31T10:40:00.000+10:00

"$2,591.00 for monthly repayments???"
Yep ... that's about what a mine worker or a private sub-contractor gets a week.
Mum takes a couple of years off work to look after their baby while dad is away, FIFO.
These apartments are filling a void in the market.
And what's a more pleasant suburb to live in than Clifton Beach?
But hey, this is Cairns, don't create some exclusivity just to Clifton Beach.
The rest of us other suburbs with large apartment blocks will say ... get used to it.

I had a look at the Clifton Waters advertisement. ...

2007-12-30T23:14:00.000+10:00

I had a look at the Clifton Waters advertisement. $2,591.00 for monthly repayments??? Sheeeeesh, just what working people can afford that hey??? Hey FACTMAN???
Get off your lies. This development will be sold to Japanese, Chinese or Malaysian investors.

Flying foxes - more victims of the high rise menta...

2007-12-30T23:08:00.000+10:00

Flying foxes - more victims of the high rise mentality?? I was in the city the other night and heard the screech of hundreds of flying foxes in the trees around the Cairns City Library and across the road.
The Cairns Central Swamp was once the day roost of a large colony of these ecologically important creatures. At evening, our skies would be almost black as a large cloud of them flew back to their night roost near Mt. Sheridan.
Today of course, only the thinnest trickle of flying foxes return from the fast disappearing Cairns Central Swamp.
It appears some of them have fled to the inner city as a response to high rise construction near the central swamp. What's the bet that Big Kev and his Council will soon start exterminating them?

Here's hoping Bonneau does the right thing and mov...

2007-12-30T18:40:00.000+10:00

Here's hoping Bonneau does the right thing and moves into his new district. We don't need or want his kind in Clifton Beach - and then maybe someone will buy the shitbox he lives in and clean it up.

OH ... Factman .... If you think that ex army majo...

2007-12-30T14:35:00.000+10:00

OH ... Factman .... If you think that ex army majors would be good as the next mayor, I have just thought of the best candidate for you. Maybe Mike Moore might be able to get his contact details for you so you can contact him and have him in Byrnes' team. Good old Bruce Ruxton. Maybe KB could also trawl around the RSL on a saturday night and enlist a few old boys from there too. It could be like "Dads Army" from the BBC. Get back to me on this one Factman. I might even support them as a council if you can get it together before march.

Well what a little hornet’s nest we have here, slu...

2007-12-30T13:43:00.000+10:00

Well what a little hornet’s nest we have here, slums being defended by Gary the slime ball and lots of shit slinging! For those of us who are in the unfortunate position of having the spineless Bonneau as our councillor, there’s some good news. He’s finally decided he’s going to run for division 9 and not 10. (Cairns Post Saturday) Thank goodness but why he doesn’t just piss-off altogether we don’t know. As for the current division 9 councillor?? Who are they??? Oh that’s right they’re the ones who allowed Hedley to destroy the hillside behind Paradise Palms aren’t they!! Quick gone Bonneau moving, are the rats leaving the sinking ship?

Oh, on another note, it seems as though KB is starting to believe his own press but you know that Gary, you write it for him!!
As the best
Enough Rope.

Kevin Byrne might consider getting a new spin doct...

2007-12-30T12:22:00.000+10:00

Kevin Byrne might consider getting a new spin doctor.

IMHO, Factman is becoming a liability:

Ex. Army Majors and experienced ex. Mayors can provide that leadership.

There are many hard decisions to be made and these decisions need to be made quickly, and with sound judgement....

Be very careful how you vote....

The popular appeal of martial law is wearing thin. It's a global trend, I think.

I doubt Cairns is exempt.

What's more, we still count votes by hand in Queensland Local Elections and don't use bodgy electronic voting (when I lasted checked!)

But there is a plus side if the Mayor is unfortunate enough to lose in March.

An "experienced ex-Mayor", who can make decisions lightning quick, might be just the man in Afghanistan or Gaza, where he could expect a warm reception from the locals :-)

Perhaps he could take 'Factman' with him?

Ex Servicemen as leaders??? ... Let me see. The c...

2007-12-30T10:14:00.000+10:00

Ex Servicemen as leaders??? ... Let me see. The countries that come to mind that have and had ex servicemen as leaders usually ended up being dictatorships. Yeah. That is what we need. More of what we have had. Just as well Little Johny introduced the gun laws. Immagine what Cairns would be like with KB and GS toting semi automatic assault rifles. At least then, they wouldnt have to get the council solicitors to send out threatening letters to people who dissagree with them.

Factman
you go on about east trinity and the bl...

2007-12-30T10:12:00.000+10:00

Factman
you go on about east trinity and the blame game of state gov.
would byrne & entsch build affordable on their land at east trinity?
And what about you, have you got land there?
You seem to have sour grapes about it.
What's Babinda going to do for a mayor with quick resigning?

So the Factman said...
“Ex. Army Majors and exp...

2007-12-30T08:17:00.000+10:00

So the Factman said...
“Ex. Army Majors and experienced ex. Mayors can provide that leadership.
There are many hard decisions to be made and these decisions need to be made quickly, and with sound judgement.
If not Cairns will suffer”

What a load of Bunkum! What this city does NOT need is any kind of serviceman of high rank who thinks we are all his subordinates, who must obey his every command. KB is not in the army now and we, the residents of Cairns are not enlisted either.

Most leaders are not ex-serviceman. They would be in the minority throughout the land and world and no doubt would all suffer the same arrogance and insufferability as the one we currently have.

Well then factman .. if this is the case .. why is...

2007-12-29T23:21:00.000+10:00

Well then factman .. if this is the case .. why is it that everything goes the way of the developer. Not the other way around.
I agree with you. On issues where the community is split 50/50, then we nee sound judgement. But like I said, if this is the case, why is it the way of the developer??????? ...
But, you didnt comment on the legal action comment. You seem to choose your comments. You cant tell me, or anyone else, that when it comes to leadership, the ugly box buildings with hundreds of units crammed into a small block of land is the best for the community. Or the natural water way that is replace with a concrete pipe is the best for the community. Or the hill side that gets de-treed is the best for the community.
You commented about the State Labor government tying up the land at East Trinity. My question to you is, "What is it that keeps the tourist coming to Cairns??"
Look at all the glossy brochures that fill this town up. They all depict bushland, rainforrest, frogs, birds, kangaroos. You take that away, and you only have another Gold Coast.
Like I have said factman, you will find most of us arent against developement and progress. Just the way this council goes about it. If this council was more open to the public instead of bullying it the way it does, you would probably find that you would have the support of the community. Until that changes, you will find you are running our of friends. As for next years council elections, I havent found much that I would want to vote for yet. There is one person that I am interested in meeting, and no it isnt Kev .. I have met him and didnt like him. After meeting this person, I will then be able to make a choice. But, at this stage, it doesnt look good for Cairns unfortunately.

Paul - Edmoanton, "Go to the rate payers an...

2007-12-29T22:28:00.000+10:00

Paul - Edmoanton, "Go to the rate payers and consult with them on issues such as housing, clearing of land, filling creeks and waterways etc." says Paul from Edmonton.

Paul ... Council does and consults often.
And generally the results are:
50% say yes, and 50% say no.
That's where it gets hard.
What to do? Leadership is needed.
Ex. Army Majors and experienced ex. Mayors can provide that leadership.
There are many hard decisions to be made and these decisions need to be made quickly, and with sound judgement.
If not Cairns will suffer.
Be very careful how you vote next Cairns Regional Council election.

Anonymous says ... l wonder who he will be consult...

2007-12-29T21:58:00.000+10:00

Anonymous says ... l wonder who he will be consulting for???
Please explain ...

l see factman mentions dennis quick is leaving CCC...

2007-12-29T20:28:00.000+10:00

l see factman mentions dennis quick is leaving CCC to become a private consultant engineer
l wonder who he will be consulting for???
Cairns city council maybe??
good way to increase your pay packet