tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post5611549807152725083..comments2024-01-20T10:32:53.309+10:00Comments on CairnsBlog.net: Wild Rivers hearing in Cairns April 13thMichael P Moorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02890121680113642715noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-88102678939248758132010-04-10T08:49:28.599+10:002010-04-10T08:49:28.599+10:00very interesting read....could someone please ask ...very interesting read....could someone please ask TWS for me.... <br /><br />Why did TWS decide to sign the WRL and agree that it was ok for the government to MINE UNDER THE RIVERS?Stacey OBriennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-92052255229402676612010-04-09T18:06:11.024+10:002010-04-09T18:06:11.024+10:00Ah, Bryan,
It's a tad ironic that you call fo...Ah, Bryan,<br /><br />It's a tad ironic that you call for wildness society to: "put personal attacks to one side", then you say:<br /><br />"I can’t imagine anything more disgracefully evil than the arrogance and intolerance of Anna Bligh and TWS. I say that if they want to die in a ditch, they ought be allowed to. Perhaps even assisted."<br /><br />That's a pretty personal, aggressive and violent thing to say, contrary to the posturing about personal attacks.<br /><br />It's also ironic that you say there are no threats to cape york when the cape alumina mine has been all over the news, and wild rivers being able to stop it.<br /><br />You really, really do love Noel pearson, its astounding your mythical views that all aboriginal people will be default want to protect their land and that noone else should say what happens on their land because we need to trust they won't cut deals with mining companies etc.<br /><br />alls i can say is youv got one serious axe to grind about wildness society. find a new hobby.Munsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-76523264733960195412010-04-09T17:12:32.406+10:002010-04-09T17:12:32.406+10:00Bob,
Of course "it's very important that ...Bob,<br />Of course "it's very important that we protect these ecosystems", the opponents of Wild Rivers are not suggesting otherwise. <br />What I'd ask the people you've quoted is: "Are you sure you have to wear this weakening of your native title rights to protect these ecosystems? Is this approach to conservation even likely to achieve its goals, given that it limits the role of traditional owners to govt-supported caretakers of their country, rather than independent self-reliant owners of the land exercising their right to invest their energies in and wrest a living from their family estates? Aren't you accepting the govt line that the state needs to limit your rights because traditional owners can't be relied on to look after the country?" <br />Despite all the talk of permitting sustainable development, the govt's approach to land use on the Peninsula perpetuates communal ownership arrangements which effectively preclude Aboriginal people from developing enterprises or investing privately in housing.<br />So a few dozen get wages as rangers, while everyone else remains mired in dysfunctional public housing, on welfare, with little prospect of meaningful employment despite the current efforts in training and welfare reform.Matt CYPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-78992097826135499622010-04-09T15:46:56.885+10:002010-04-09T15:46:56.885+10:00I think I understand now Glen, why TWS has been re...I think I understand now Glen, why TWS has been reluctant to go on record with its understandings. It might be only me, but I find the TWS submission a masterpiece of colonial fabrication. In paragraph 2 you negate any disagreement with bama by asserting that Noel Pearson personally had “made agreements” in the processes of legislating the Wild Rivers Act. Terra Nullius, old cobber.<br /><br />This is a class act for para 2, but nothing compared to what’s achieved on page 2, where the real threat to Native Title is coming from..... yes folk’s it’s the “other Indigenous groups upstream”.<br /><br />The “other Indigenous groups upstream”.<br /><br />It explains a lot.<br /><br />I’m going to read on, now, looking to see if there’s an answer to my question “What specific project threats are there right now to bio-values in Cape York Peninsula?”. Then we can get a real discussion going about how further dispossessing Bama can possibly help the situation?.<br /><br />Feel free to answer it yourself if you want to.Bryan Lawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-17074629244910181802010-04-09T15:28:37.201+10:002010-04-09T15:28:37.201+10:00I think I understand now Glen, why TWS has been re...I think I understand now Glen, why TWS has been reluctant to go on record with its understandings. It might be only me, but I find the TWS submission a masterpiece of colonial fabrication. In paragraph 2 you negate any disagreement with bama by asserting that Noel Pearson personally had “made agreements” in the processes of legislating the Wild Rivers Act. Terra Nullius, old cobber.<br /><br />This is a class act for para 2, but nothing compared to what’s achieved on page 2, where the real threat to Native Title is coming from..... yes folk’s it’s the “other Indigenous groups upstream”.<br /><br />The “other Indigenous groups upstream”.<br /><br />It explains a lot.<br /><br />I’m going to read on, now, looking to see if there’s an answer to my question “What specific project threats are there right now to bio-values in Cape York Peninsula?”. Then we can get a real discussion going about how further dispossessing Bama can possibly help the situation?.<br /><br />Feel free to answer it yourself if you want to.Bryan Lawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-10567433010055928172010-04-09T14:44:52.437+10:002010-04-09T14:44:52.437+10:00Here are some indigenous voices in support of Wild...Here are some indigenous voices in support of Wild Rivers:<br /><br />Gina Castelain, Director of Wik Projects, Wik-Waya Traditional Owner:<br />"From our point of view, we don't see any way in which wild rivers is going to cost any jobs, and<br />we actually see ways in which it can create jobs" ~ The Australian, 9 Jun 2009<br /><br />Murrandoo Yanner, Gangalidda Traditional Owner.<br />[Wild Rivers is the] best legislation in decades for Aboriginal People and that's proven on the ground here in the lower Gulf. We have been able to block a lot of nasty developments that would have wrecked the sustainability of our rivers since the introduction of this legislation”<br />~ Living Black, SBS 8 March 2010<br /><br />Terry O'Shane, Northern Queensland Land Council Chairman.<br />"I don't agree with Noel. I think it's very important that we protect these ecosystems."<br />~ The Australian, 17 Nov 2007<br /><br />Greg McLean, Mayor of Hopevale.<br />"Wild Rivers legislation won't affect communities unless they are planning major developments<br />like refineries."<br />~ WIN TV News Cairns, 17 Jul 2009<br /><br />Elders of Uniting Church Congregation of Aurukun:<br />"It is of great comfort to us that there are people within the Queensland Government who care<br />deeply about the preservation of our beautiful rivers and wetlands and who also want to listen to<br />indigenous voices speaking out about important issues that effect our indigenous life so<br />profoundly." ~ Letter to Qld Minister regarding the Archer Basin Wild River declaration proposal, 17 Nov 2008<br /><br />David Claudie, Chairman of Chuulangun Aboriginal Corporation, Northern Kaanju<br />Traditional Owner.<br />"The whole Wenlock River and its tributaries have enormous cultural significance as the Creator<br />of all of Kuuku I'yuNgaachi under the umbrella of Pianamu (Rainbow Serpent). We are obliged<br />under Kaanju law and custom to 'look after' our Ngaachi in a sustainable manner. In return our<br />Stories, which are the land, will look after us physically, culturally and spiritually."<br />~ Submission into Wenlock Basin Wild River declaration proposal, 28 May 2009<br /><br />Gavin Bassani, Lama Lama Traditional Owner.<br />"The legislation is not there to block you from doing stuff, it's there to initially protect the<br />environment, rather than us going out willy-nilly and chopping up the whole environment."<br />~ Bush TV - "Wild Rivers", Jul 2008<br /><br />Richard Barkley, Tanquith Traditional Owner.<br />"As well as better protection for the environment [with Wild Rivers legislation], there will also be<br />more jobs" ~ Western Cape Bulletin, 18 Jul 2007<br /><br />William Busch, Mapoon Traditional Owner.<br />"The miners and the Government have to work together to see how they could do something to not<br />try and damage the rivers, and even our people ourselves have to do it."<br />~ Bush TV - "Wild Rivers", Jul 2008Bob Beamonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-19170594416064548942010-04-09T14:06:30.599+10:002010-04-09T14:06:30.599+10:00Great article, Bryan. Thanks!Great article, Bryan. Thanks!maryonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-8857315486898673292010-04-09T13:38:56.198+10:002010-04-09T13:38:56.198+10:00It's too convenient to dismiss Pearson's s...It's too convenient to dismiss Pearson's stance on Wild Rivers as self-serving or political - it is consistent with his arguments on Native Title for two decades or more.<br />Wild Rivers legislation is statute law superimposed on a fundamental common law right which has only been established in those same two decades. <br />It is contrary to the expectation of traditional owners, that where they are again the sole occupants of their land, that their right to be the primary determinants of land use should be overruled so lightly. <br />Any diminution of common law rights by statute law ought to be challenged.<br />Matt, CYPMattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-90850311196688320792010-04-09T11:01:23.436+10:002010-04-09T11:01:23.436+10:00On Radio National this week Noel Pearson was asked...On Radio National this week Noel Pearson was asked which projects have been knocked back due to the Wild Rivers Act. His first answer was the housing estate at Hopevale, but Hopevale is not in a Wild Rivers Area. His second answer was that people wouldn't be able to grow their own veggies if they lived close to a river. This is nonsense. He also admitted in the Senate enquiry that no development applications have been lodged in Wild Rivers declared areas - a "fact" that was disputed by Senator Crossin, who says there have been, and that they were passed.<br /><br />So how come Pearson cannot come up with anything sensible in response to this obvious question ? He's a lawyer, from Hopevale, so he must know that Hopevale's problems weren't due to being in a Wild Rivers Area. Why try and pretend it is ?<br /><br />Could it be that he hasn't got a leg to stand on, and that all this bluster is about something other than indigenous rights to grow their own veggies ?<br /><br />In his CYI report "From hand-out to hand up" he spends 3 pages on how to help Aurukun people get "job-ready" so that they can apply for jobs strip-mining their land for bauxite (the Chalco development). That is the sort of thing Pearson thinks Aurukun people ought to be into - totally destroying their sacred land for dollars.<br /><br />Pearson is also concerned that other bauxite developments, like the one that overlaps the Steve Irwin Reserve, might be prevented by the Wild Rivers Act (as it certainly should).<br /><br />So it appears that Pearson is more interested in mining than looking after country, and that is why he finds a friend in Tony Abbott.Dave Kimblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-50466472593738515262010-04-09T10:58:36.094+10:002010-04-09T10:58:36.094+10:00Bryan,
You are wrong.
The Wilderness Society has...Bryan,<br /><br />You are wrong.<br /><br />The Wilderness Society has lodged <br /><a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/legcon_ctte/wildrivers/submissions.htm" rel="nofollow">an extensive submission</a><br /><br />We will be appearing at the hearing, alongside Indigenous supporters of Wild Rivers.<br /><br />We look forward to uncovering the campaign of misinformation being waged by the Pearson/Abbott camp, as well as highlighting the need for Wild River protection to prevent destructive development, for example the Cape Alumina mine on the Steve Irwin Wildlife Reserve (as highlighted in recent media).Glenn Walkernoreply@blogger.com