tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post5028589324364197700..comments2024-01-20T10:32:53.309+10:00Comments on CairnsBlog.net: Cairns turtle and dugong activist campaigns against slaughter caught on videoMichael P Moorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02890121680113642715noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-613097861396353002011-11-10T20:58:30.220+10:002011-11-10T20:58:30.220+10:00As Tony burke says it is factually wrong, indigeno...As Tony burke says it is factually wrong, indigenous hunting is the biggest threat to dugongs and sea turtles.<br /><br />And it is not my opinion but people that know that are government funded and must stay mute, but bob Irwin, Pete bethune and I have met them and their evidence is beyond doubt,<br /><br />Like I have said all the other threats add to the loss BUT uncontrolled unmonitored indigenous and others add to their demise.<br /><br />And I never slam anyone and count many many indigenous persons amongst my friends, No one in 2011 should hunt an endangered animal in any country, especially under the guise of native tradition.<br /><br />Norman why not put your name as I did?Colin Riddellhttp://dugongandturtles.webs.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-57902562920599266672011-11-10T16:50:17.613+10:002011-11-10T16:50:17.613+10:00Lets not just slam Traditional Owners here, nor th...Lets not just slam Traditional Owners here, nor the provisions granted under the Native Title Act for them regarding hunting ect. Queensland is on the verge of an explosion of heavy industry ports right up the coast from Gladstone to remote Cape York. All of these ports threaten dugong, turtle, dolphin and other marine species and habbitats. Aboriginal people are not solely responsible for the death of turtle and dugong. Their method of killing may be questionable, but they are not the biggest threat to the survival of these animals and environments.Normannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-5598108699947614352010-09-21T06:02:55.855+10:002010-09-21T06:02:55.855+10:00Collin I don’t know why you just don’t come out an...Collin I don’t know why you just don’t come out and say what you're real intentions are and that is being disgruntled with the ALP because you have sort preselect ion and are too incompetent to even spell the word yet alone win one. <br /><br />If you had spent any time with Indigenous people in Far North Queensland you'd realise that this particular incident is isolated and that the practice of Dugong and Turtle hunting is steeped in custom and knowledge passed on for thousands of years. You are correct that this particular video is torture and severe animal cruelty; however when traditional hunting is executed properly following custom, Lore and tradition death is quick.Joseph O'Sullivannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-9855080116455231592010-08-18T22:48:00.075+10:002010-08-18T22:48:00.075+10:00Remember who to Vote for if you want to help stop ...Remember who to Vote for if you want to help stop Dugongs and Sea Turtles cut up alive. Peter Garret will do nothingDiane Thompsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-30087590599297388652010-07-01T12:04:30.735+10:002010-07-01T12:04:30.735+10:00Siltation from dredging the Cairns Harbour as well...Siltation from dredging the Cairns Harbour as well as effluent running out to sea caused significant decreases in the meadows of seagrasses alongside our shore. I believe there were some studies done by the GBRMPA sometime in the early 1990s?? This was one of the motivating factors behind the Clean Waters requirement..the bill of which was passed on to the Cairns Regional Council and which caused such a furore from Cairns residents during the first Schier Council budget. I note the call is out again to dredge the Cairns Harbour...the question must be asked, "At what cost?"Alison Allowaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-87885264292924556002010-07-01T09:06:00.796+10:002010-07-01T09:06:00.796+10:00You are welcome janet I think gavin is lucky he id...You are welcome janet I think gavin is lucky he id not run into bob while he was in cairns.<br />And to be honest I have met thousands of people in my time on earth ,but no one like bob he is special I know now where steve got his passion from.<br />I have people from all walks in my life but it is a privelege to know bob irwin.<br />Kenton campbell seems to be the same sort of bloke.colin riddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-4048750586522088202010-07-01T08:27:17.959+10:002010-07-01T08:27:17.959+10:00Thanks Col,
I appreciate your very honest answerThanks Col,<br /><br />I appreciate your very honest answerJanetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-50308570765106176282010-06-30T16:46:44.012+10:002010-06-30T16:46:44.012+10:00Janet .
I wont lie no I did not.
The reason bei...Janet .<br />I wont lie no I did not. <br />The reason being even if I did bob would have still done it for the animals that is the sort of man he is.<br />What you are refering to is gavins story on bobs relationship with his grandchildren .<br />Bob is very angry with gavin and he said he and his lovely wife get over 200 emails a day due to gavins story that was totally incorrect, bob has no problem with access to young bob and bindi.<br />I won't tell you what bob would like to do to gavin.<br />But he did ask me prior to his visit ask me if I knew gavin and I SAID YES.colin riddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-66173105909843306972010-06-30T09:46:21.105+10:002010-06-30T09:46:21.105+10:00Col,
With regard to the McKenzie interveiw.
Did y...Col,<br /><br />With regard to the McKenzie interveiw.<br />Did you tell Bob Irwin that Macca was mates with Gavin King, or did you conveniently forget? Knowing Bob would have walked out if he had of realised the media connection to his family grief...Janetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-7059498636397330162010-06-02T18:14:13.566+10:002010-06-02T18:14:13.566+10:00Colin - While I'm always open to comments, adv...Colin - While I'm always open to comments, advice and suggestions, the causes to which I choose to devote voluntary time is my business.<br /><br />You write: "IF I HAD PEOPLE WITH YOUR ENERGY HELPING INSTEAD OF YOUR ANTI ISRAEL RANTS , WE WOULD SOLVE A REAL CONCERN."<br /><br />Who the hell do you think you are? <br /><br />After your latest contributions to this debate, if I do choose to spend more time on the dugong issue, you can be sure I shaln't be doing it as your offsider.Syd Walkerhttp://sydwalker.info/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-31997489972058977042010-06-02T17:50:39.150+10:002010-06-02T17:50:39.150+10:00syd walker
I just looked at page one of your blog...syd walker <br />I just looked at page one of your blog and it is full of israel bagging , IF I HAD PEOPLE WITH YOUR ENERGY HELPING INSTEAD OF YOUR ANTI ISRAEL RANTS , WE WOULD SOLVE A REAL CONCERN .<br />you can keep cafnec I ,LL DO MY THING.<br />1. You just have to feel sorry for the folk who run the Jewish Agency and Israeli Prime Minister’s office<br /><br />2. During August, I had a poll running on this website in which I invited visitors to vote for the name they thought best suited to the small nation-state in the Middle East commonly known as ‘Israel’ since its inception in 1948<br /><br />3. If it was only a matter of hate – something they understand rather well – they’d be laughing!<br /><br />But life is not that simple. There’s also pesky, insidious thing called love to worry about. Love may be prove to be the most serious existential threat to the millennial fantasies of Zion’s elders<br /><br />4.A series of explosive reports today’s Guardian newspaper (from Britain) details the almost romantic relationship between the governments of South Africa and Israel in the decades preceding the collapse of South African Apartheid in the late 1980s<br /><br /><br /><br />5.Today Israeli commandoes boarded the main ship in the Gaza flotilla and opened fire, killing a currently unknown number of unarmed peace activists (highest reports so far 15) and injuring many morecol Riddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-91911857584713286832010-06-02T17:15:52.052+10:002010-06-02T17:15:52.052+10:00I agree , syd there you go .
I missed your blogI agree , syd there you go .<br />I missed your blogcolin riddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-30737789656979813122010-05-27T11:37:13.321+10:002010-05-27T11:37:13.321+10:00I've been reluctant to get involved with this ...I've been reluctant to get involved with this debate as I know little about the topic and the politics are clearly red hot.<br /><br />However, I've been prodded to read a little more - enough to firm up a personal opinion that we should take URGENT steps to better protect dugong habitat and stop ALL intentional or avoidable killing of these wonderful animals, including hunting.<br /><br />It's worth reading the whole of the <a href="http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/corp_site/info_services/publications/sotr/latest_updates/marine_mammals" rel="nofollow">GBRMPA's webpage on dugong</a>. Within Australia, four threatening process are highlighted:<br /> * Boat strike and disturbance from boats, ships and other motorised machines<br /> * Habitat loss from coastal development and declining water quality<br /> * Incidental catch in mesh net fishing and shark control programs<br /> * Traditional hunting<br /><br />There seems to be a lack of accurate data about the impact of these various factors on the dugong population. Even so, there are indications that the 'traditional hunting' catch is unsustainable.<br /><br />So, while action is needed on ALL fronts, I think it's time the community as a whole negotiated an end to dugong killing with traditional owners. <br /><br />Surely that native title right can be relinquished in return for compensation? It's the process used by Australia's mining industry – without which it would have ground to a halt over the last 15 years.<br /><br />If we can compensate to facilitate mining, we can surely do likewise to help ensure the long-term survival of an extraordinary wild life-form we all love?<br /><br />Compensation need not be in the form of cash payments. That's an option, but legally-binding, long-term agreements on Aboriginal employment in conservation work is another possibility that might be more appropriate.Syd Walkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-58976932929380349922010-05-04T17:08:15.724+10:002010-05-04T17:08:15.724+10:00Don't attack the people attack the non regulat...Don't attack the people attack the non regulation of the process that allows it to happen .<br />Adopt my recommendations and it might help or think of your own.<br />1. Turtles and dugongs must be dispatched humanely.<br /><br /> Humanely must be defined<br /><br /> <br /><br />2.A moratorium to be imposed ASAP to determine sustainable numbers by scientific study<br /><br /> <br /><br />3.Permits must be issued by DPI or similar body to elders nominated to issue.<br /><br /> This would help restore respect to elders , as it stands now elders have no back up for non compliance.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br />4.Government rangers and indigenous rangers to be appointed to monitor permit use , this would help elders to refuse family/relations demanding extras.<br /><br />And skulls or shells to be kept for proof of permit compliance , any extras found action to be instigated .<br /><br />This would give the elders a strong excuse to refuse extras as they can say they are heavily monitored.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br />5.Any breach by anybody to be prosecuted by severe penalties.<br /><br /> <br /><br />6.No killing of sea turtles and dugongs by anyone in green zones especially high tourist areas ,e.g. Great barrier reef.<br /><br /> <br /><br />7.Any animal on the endangered species list to be excuded from killing by anyone .<br /><br /> THEY ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS FEEL FREE TO PUT YOURS.colin riddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-37501658596421611342010-05-04T09:49:34.849+10:002010-05-04T09:49:34.849+10:00Savages is all that comes to minSavages is all that comes to minthevoice1969http://www.youtube.com/user/thevoice1969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-73849379050364828812010-05-04T09:48:57.703+10:002010-05-04T09:48:57.703+10:00Yes this is disgusting and should be stopped, but ...Yes this is disgusting and should be stopped, but are our politicians too spineless and PC to speak out against this?sedatedcohohttp://www.youtube.com/user/sedatedcohonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-10761446697018397502010-04-21T22:19:25.298+10:002010-04-21T22:19:25.298+10:00You pathetic people, how can you kill an animal th...You pathetic people, how can you kill an animal this way. You complain all the time of the treatment you receive or have received yet you can treat an innocent animal this way.. I have changed my mind on you, I am nearly crying and feel sick to the stomachsaobiskit2002http://www.youtube.com/user/saobiskit2002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-55392575962176800582010-04-19T20:43:53.079+10:002010-04-19T20:43:53.079+10:00THIS IS MY PERSONAL VIEW
I think this will help ,...THIS IS MY PERSONAL VIEW<br />I think this will help , your thoughts ?<br />: <br />My recommendations on alterations to the native title act 1993 <br /> <br />1. Turtles and dugongs must be dispatched humanely.<br /> Humanely must be defined<br /> <br />2.A moratorium to be imposed ASAP to determine sustainable numbers by scientific study<br /> <br />3.Permits must be issued by DPI or similar body to elders nominated to issue.<br /> This would help restore respect to elders , as it stands now elders have no back up for non compliance.<br /> <br /> <br />4.Government rangers and indigenous rangers to be appointed to monitor permit use , this would help elders to refuse family/relations demanding extras.<br />And skulls or shells to be kept for proof of permit compliance , any extras found action to be instigated .<br />This would give the elders a strong excuse to refuse extras as they can say they are heavily monitored.<br /> <br /> <br />5.Any breach by anybody to be prosecuted by severe penalties.<br /> <br />6.No killing of sea turtles and dugongs by anyone in green zones especially high tourist areas ,e.g. Great barrier reef.<br /> <br />7.Any animal on the endangered species list to be excuded from killing by anyone .<br /><br />THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY . <br /><br />It is no good moaning without offering a possible solution .<br /><br />Did an interview on 2ue today ,if you want to hear it mike may post it.colin riddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-76581470382681837972010-04-19T19:49:09.685+10:002010-04-19T19:49:09.685+10:00I understand natives to eat the odd turtle or two,...I understand natives to eat the odd turtle or two, but please do it in a humane way and let them NOT sufferB Graingernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-36624945178176165262010-04-15T20:21:15.365+10:002010-04-15T20:21:15.365+10:00Rob pyne needs praise ,he is a bloomin bloke with...Rob pyne needs praise ,he is a bloomin bloke with a heart not a votebook!<br />Dugongs and Turtles Not A Dead Issue<br />In Cairns Regional Council on 15/04/2010 at 4:14 pm<br /> <br /><br />What follows is an extract from the minutes of the last Council meeting and media comment that followed:<br /><br />1. ANIMAL PROTECTION<br /><br />PYNE / BONNEAU<br /><br />That Cairns Regional Council write to the State and Commonwealth Government, requesting a complete ban on the killing of dugongs and turtles in Green Zones in the Cairns Regional Council area.<br /><br />lost with Councillors Leu, Cochrane, Forsyth, Cooper, Blake, Lesina and Gregory voting against the motion<br /><br />4CA AM (Cairns)<br />John Mackenzie – 11:33 AM<br />Station Ph: 07 4042 8000<br /><br />Mackenzie talks to Cairns Councillor Robert Pyne about local council’s decision regarding the slaughter of turtles and dugongs. He says that he was trying to make the issue very simple but that the majority of councillorsfound it to be complex, noting that his plan was to lobby govt for a ban on the killings in green zones.<br /><br />Pyneremarks that there was no room for gray areas in the legislation and that a ‘blanket ban’ was necessary as it removes loopholes, noting that he was hoping it would pass so people could tell Brisbane that the local community wants it to stop. Pyne states that some parliamentary members have some ’solidarity’ to a particular party or group and are forced into some positions they might not agree with or their constituents may not agree with.<br />© Media Monitors 2010<br />Interviewees: Robert Pyne, Councillor, Cairns <br />Duration: 4:14<br />Summary ID: W00038599733<br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> 4CA AM (Cairns)<br />John Mackenzie – 15/04/2010 – 11:23 AM<br />John MacKenzie<br />Station Ph: 07 4042 8000<br /><br />Mackenzie talks to the Shadow Environment Minister Greg Hunt about animal protection authorities missing in action as protected marine turtles are inhumanely slaughtered in the Far North and council having to do more to stop the practice. He says that he is ’supportive’ of the Port Douglas councillor and tells the other ones to stop talking and start more direct actions to stop the practice as it is ‘unacceptable’. <br /><br />Hunt remarks that traditional owners have said that they will give 100% support to stopping the slaughter and that along with the support of Warren Entsch the opposition wants to see a 90% reduction in takes, an Indigenous ranger program and ruthlessness towards people who breach the rules. Hunt says that a lot of killing is being done ‘in the name of’ cultural practices as well as in a violent way that has nothing to do with culture, only brutality. He comments that he would like to see the killings firstly stopped in tourism areas as the turtle slaughter and tourism are ‘incompatible’. Mackenzie notes that if council supported Councillor Pyne’s motion to stop the killings it would have stopped it in green zones but they failed to do that. Hunt says that the issue has now gone national and that the opposition will continue to push the issue, further noting that there is an illegal trade of turtle and dugong flesh that must be stopped.<br />© Media Monitors 2010<br /><br />Interviewees: Greg Hunt, Shadow Environment Minister<br />Duration: 9:59<br />Summary ID: W00038599484<br /><br /> <br />ME PERSONALLY THINK THEY MISSED A CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING POSITIVE.<br />JULIA WHATEVER YOU ARE A SUPRISE ,NOT A GOOD ONE!Colin Riddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-18545533618891914162010-04-15T19:27:07.524+10:002010-04-15T19:27:07.524+10:00It remains sad but true,if those responsable for t...It remains sad but true,if those responsable for these a atrocities had to use traditional methods for hunting they would starve. <br /><br />They like so many other wish to benefit from advancements in society while clinging to traditional use loopholes for financial benefit!Enough Ropenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-11127784687108758622010-04-15T07:32:10.003+10:002010-04-15T07:32:10.003+10:00STORY HAS GONE NATIONAL IN THE MELBOURNE AGE
Hu...STORY HAS GONE NATIONAL IN THE MELBOURNE AGE <br /><br /><br />Hunting for dugong, turtles 'cruel' TOM ARUP AND PETER KER <br />April 15, 2010<br /> <br />THE RSPCA says indigenous hunting methods for dugongs and green sea turtles are inhumane and is urging the federal government to stamp out cruelty in hunting methods.<br /><br />The RSPCA's concerns come as the opposition today will announce that a Coalition government would stop the poaching of dugongs and sea turtles, stamp out brutality in hunting and ''end the commercial sale of dugong and turtle meat''.<br /><br />Opposition environment spokesman Greg Hunt will also commit to reducing the take of dugongs and sea turtles by 90 per cent.<br /><br />''The traditional owners, along with many individuals and groups, are among the strongest advocates of enforcement against poachers and against the brutality on dugongs and turtles as part of this illegal practice,'' Mr Hunt said.<br /><br />Under the Native Title Act 1993, native title holders can legally hunt dugongs and green turtles for personal, domestic or non-commercial communal needs.<br /><br />But RSPCA Queensland spokesman Michael Beatty said the RSPCA wanted state laws amended to remove the exemption for traditional hunting to ensure the humane killing of animals.<br /><br />Mr Beatty said that, when hunted, green sea turtles often had their flippers cut off while they were still alive and were then left on beaches in the sun. He said live dugongs were often tied to wharves and had parts of their flesh cut off intermittently to keep the meat fresh.<br /><br />''In this day and age with refrigeration and freezing, you don't need to be as cruel as that,'' Mr Beatty said.<br /><br />Mr Beatty added he had received reports that dugong and turtle meat was being flown into Cairns airport from the Torres Straight and sold on a black market in town. He said the meat industry was being driven by illegal poaching.<br /><br />A spokeswoman for the federal Environment Department said 13 offences had been recorded for illegal hunting of dugongs in the Great Barrier Reef World Heritage Area since 2008.<br /><br />The Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority estimates there are 11,300 dugongs in the reef marine parks. The authority's Dr Mark Read said yesterday estimates suggested that an absolute maximum of 120 dugongs a year could be sustainably hunted throughout the reef.<br /><br />The authority has several voluntary sustainable hunting agreements with traditional owners in the area - but has concerns that poachers not connected to traditional owners were hunting too many animals.<br /><br />The park authority has also established an indigenous compliance officer who will work with traditional owners around Cairns to help stamp out poaching.colin riddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-60098819860289785202010-04-14T07:13:48.121+10:002010-04-14T07:13:48.121+10:00I share your passion saveourturtles
thanks for pos...I share your passion saveourturtles<br />thanks for posting the video, check your youtube inbox. colin/ snraic<br /><br />'Black market' in dugong and turtle meat in far north Queensland, Opposition says Steven Wardill From: The Courier-Mail April 13, 2010 4:43PM 15 <br />?BLACK market dugong and turtle meat was regularly being transported in eskies from the Torres Strait to Cairns, the Opposition has claimed. <br />Opposition frontbencher Glen Elmes today claimed in Parliament that that the illegal meat load was sent on commercial flights from Horn Island and fetched $50 a kilogram.<br /><br />Mr Elmes also highlighted a YouTube video of the dismembering of a live turtle, saying the practice was “brutal’’ and inhumane’’ but being ignored by authorities.<br /><br />The October 2009 video shows a large turtle being dragged out of the water on its back while several Indigenous men hack off the animals flippers.<br /><br />“Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are entitled to hunt using traditional methods for their own consumption, the LNP recognises, acknowledges and supports that entitlement, Mr Elmes said.<br /><br /><br />Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar.<br />.End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar.<br /><br />“But no one is entitled to transport kill, no one is entitled to sell the meat.’’<br /><br />Comment is being sought from the State Governmentcolin riddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-76678336532279251072010-04-12T22:43:56.830+10:002010-04-12T22:43:56.830+10:00Hi Mike,
thanks for your interest. I put, of cour...Hi Mike,<br /><br />thanks for your interest. I put, of course, the video on you tube, because I am quite frustrated of what we had to experience in the Torres Strait on an almost daily basis. <br /><br />The whole thing is so political that no one wants to do anything but it is just pathetic that we pay millions of dollars to try keeping dugongs and turtles alive and yet they are caught exceeding 500 to 1000 animals per species per year. <br /><br />The problem is also that people try to misuse the debate for their own political agenda but I am only interested in finding ways of saving species from extinction.save our turtlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-3637617693545241002010-04-11T21:26:50.570+10:002010-04-11T21:26:50.570+10:00This must go viral!!!
Absolutely appalling cruel...This must go viral!!! <br /><br />Absolutely appalling cruelty.<br /><br />Displays nothing of the "respect for land and creatures" that gets spewed out to tourists or anyone else who is blinded by the cotton wool veil of traditional hunting and gathering.<br /><br />WHERE THE HELL IS QNPWS?!Queensland wildlife watchernoreply@blogger.com