tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post2173876331569052333..comments2024-01-20T10:32:53.309+10:00Comments on CairnsBlog.net: Free advert for the MayorMichael P Moorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02890121680113642715noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-63071850369859106432008-01-18T11:35:00.000+10:002008-01-18T11:35:00.000+10:00Factman, once again you stiol haven't answered Jud...Factman, once again you stiol haven't answered Jude's question. "How was the democratic process followed where a sign for a Developer to advertise his subdivision, can morph into a Political sign for the current mayor without having to go through the reapplication process".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-69032819317246644102008-01-17T20:02:00.000+10:002008-01-17T20:02:00.000+10:00Troublemaker ...if anyone goes slapping A4 posters...Troublemaker ...<BR/>if anyone goes slapping A4 posters on private property (lighting/electricity poles,walls and the like) then they deserve a $3000.00 fine.<BR/>There is nothing "harmless" about graffiti (and that's what it is).<BR/><BR/>However, KB's case, an approved sign on private property undergoes a change of wording and all hell breaks loose.<BR/>Ask yourself ... would you prefer an advertisement for yet another subdivision, or Kev's smiling face telling you what a great city we live in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-57459545540595223062008-01-17T18:04:00.000+10:002008-01-17T18:04:00.000+10:00Factman, all anyone wants, is the democratic proce...Factman, all anyone wants, is the democratic process to be followed. <BR/>I am still unable to reconcile how the democratic process was followed where a sign for a Developer to advertise his subdivision, can morph into a Political sign for the current mayor without having to go through the reapplication process. <BR/>I recall a couple of years ago, a Community Group in the Northern Beaches advertised a Community Barbecue at the beach, using harmless A4 sheets of paper. The democratic process was for a letter to be hand delivered to the letterbox of one person on the same day the signs went up advising a fine of over $3000 if the signs weren't removed. Then two phone calls to a place of employment on the same day to demand the signs be removed forthwith.<BR/>Well, I do see a difference between an advertisement in a newspaper and a bloody great billboard myself.<BR/>Yep Factman I am a taxpayer and a resident and a ratepayer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-9435629654661685342008-01-17T07:57:00.000+10:002008-01-17T07:57:00.000+10:00Troublemaker ...Do you seriously think that Counci...Troublemaker ...<BR/><BR/>Do you seriously think that Council workers will "tear it down" when the sign's legality is only disputed by Kev's political opponents.<BR/>Until Council investigate, prepare a report, is considered and voted on in Council, the sign remains.<BR/><BR/>That's the process for any sign in dispute and that's how democracy works.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I see nothing different about this sign than all the Qld Govt adverts in the newspapers regarding what a great job they are doing in Health ...<BR/>yeah, right.<BR/>And those adverts were paid for by you and me, that is, if you're a taxpayer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-45050702323533767912008-01-17T06:38:00.000+10:002008-01-17T06:38:00.000+10:00Factman I agree, who in Council "will tear it down...Factman I agree, who in Council "will tear it down". Far from showing that Val's team are not sophisticated, it show's the arrogance that abounds within the current council.<BR/>From you saying it is a Public Information sign, to the Mayor saying it is a political sign highlights the inconsistancies of a simple local law, never mind the important aspects of The Cairns Plan.<BR/>Perhaps Val's team believe local and Electoral laws should be respected.<BR/>I am quite happy to have the sign remain where it is, as a constant reminder of "Unity" Team's disdain for the Community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-55727482590027954162008-01-16T20:41:00.000+10:002008-01-16T20:41:00.000+10:00here's an example of what can only be described as...here's an example of what can only be described as total lack of sophistication and practical judgment as well as inexperience by Val's team ...<BR/><BR/><I><B>"Public frustrated by Mayor's sign"</B><BR/><BR/>"A number of people have contacted us with their thoughts on the new signs advertising Mayor Kevin Byrne and his Unity team.<BR/>Council needs to come clean and tell the truth with this. It's not a public awareness sign<BR/>it's blatantly a "political" advertising sign placed in these positions possibly by influence and<BR/>in a very timely fashion at ratepayers expense.<BR/><BR/>Tear it down, do it through a proper approval process and legally and at your own expense not ours!"</I><BR/><BR/>And Factman's question is ... who in Council is going to "tear it down"?<BR/>I mean, c'mon, get real.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-44979201351113805252008-01-15T20:41:00.000+10:002008-01-15T20:41:00.000+10:00funny ... word around town is that Jame swas reall...funny ... word around town is that Jame swas really angry that his name was used on billboards he diddn't know about....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-50085528582087668922008-01-15T19:27:00.000+10:002008-01-15T19:27:00.000+10:00Hey Justin ... " ... why does it carry the 'author...Hey Justin ... <I>" ... why does it carry the 'authorised by ..."</I><BR/><BR/>well the answer is ...<BR/> <BR/>Terry James had to get his name on it somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-5197867403728693922008-01-14T21:46:00.000+10:002008-01-14T21:46:00.000+10:00If its not a political sign why does it carry the ...If its not a political sign why does it carry the 'authorised by' small print required by law of political advertising?<BR/>Factman.....your slippin...try another line....um i mean fact ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-86738612774032036452008-01-14T18:24:00.000+10:002008-01-14T18:24:00.000+10:00Paul-Edmonton ... "So if the community thinks it i...Paul-Edmonton ... <I>"So if the community thinks it is crap, Mr Byrne should be forced to pull it down."</I> <BR/>That's your opinion Paul, me I think it's a lovely sign. Anyway, the community will judge in 2 months time.<BR/><BR/>Troublemaker ... Have a read of this ... http://www.cairns.qld.gov.au/files/local_laws/local_law_28.pdf<BR/><BR/><I>"(2) The Council may only grant an approval for an advertiser to exhibit an<BR/>advertisement if:<BR/>(a) the advertisement is structurally sound; and<BR/>(b) the advertisement causes no significant obstruction of, or distraction to,<BR/>vehicular or pedestrian traffic2; and<BR/>(c) the exhibition of the advertisement is consistent with applicable<BR/>environmental protection policies; and<BR/>(d) the dimensions of the advertisement bear a reasonable relationship to the<BR/>dimensions of surrounding buildings and lots so that:<BR/>i) its presence is not unduly dominating or oppressive; and<BR/>ii) it does not unreasonably obstruct existing views; and<BR/>(e) the advertisement is consistent, in colour and appearance, with buildings<BR/>and natural features of the environment in which it is to be situated; and<BR/>(f) the advertisement is in other respects consistent with the character and<BR/>values of the environment in which it is to be situated; and<BR/>(g) the approval is consistent with the local law policies."</I><BR/><BR/>"Intent" is your expression ...<BR/><BR/>Factman says, Val and her team should spend less time and energy whinging about these signs, and "get out there with meaningful and workable policies".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-35655813546204199572008-01-14T06:43:00.000+10:002008-01-14T06:43:00.000+10:00Factman, A change in content would mean a new appl...Factman, A change in content would mean a new application wouldn't it? Alway it seems that Council forget about "Intent". The "Intent" of a developer's signage is to advertise his Subdivision. To make such a change from advertising a subdivision to waving the flag for a mayoral candidate and the Unity Team, goes against that "Intent".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-52722769402651051782008-01-14T00:12:00.000+10:002008-01-14T00:12:00.000+10:00but Factman, obviously the sign doesnt meet the ob...but Factman, obviously the sign doesnt meet the obvious community standards. Everyone here, and everyone I have spoken to dont like it. So if the community thinks it is crap, Mr Byrne should be forced to pull it down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-89098142807762416602008-01-13T15:42:00.000+10:002008-01-13T15:42:00.000+10:00Troublemaker ...1. Show me in Local Law 28 where i...Troublemaker ...<BR/><BR/>1. Show me in Local Law 28 where it says you can't change the wording, provided it meets the obvious community standards.<BR/>2. The new billboard on the "existing sign" was <B>NOT</B> paid for by Council, or it's ratepayers, no way.<BR/><BR/>Isn't it time Val and her team got themselves "out there"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-46520924525549449372008-01-13T14:00:00.000+10:002008-01-13T14:00:00.000+10:00Hey Factman, 2 questions.1. Can you tell me where...Hey Factman, 2 questions.<BR/>1. Can you tell me where in the Control of Local Law 28 that it says you can change the wording/content on a sign without going back through the Council approval process? You say you can advertise what you like, however the content must be included in the application.<BR/>I could understand being able to change the information on a sign if being a supplier of signage was your business. Northpoint signage was for a Developer to advertise his Subdivision.<BR/>2. Can the Ratepayers be reassured that this sign was not paid for by Council?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-78923224558007827242008-01-12T02:17:00.000+10:002008-01-12T02:17:00.000+10:00Byrne and Quick: You think the voting public is t...Byrne and Quick: You think the voting public is that thick don't you? That that billboard is NOT political?? <BR/><BR/>On that basis alone you desearve to have your fat greedy villa cec/glencorp/hedley arses kicked all the way out of town in 2 months time.<BR/><BR/>Let alone the 100's of other reasons.<BR/><BR/>Let alone the 1000's of people you've also betrayed and ignored and hold in contempt you piterful dreamers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-67027912326232032772008-01-12T02:13:00.000+10:002008-01-12T02:13:00.000+10:00aaarrrggghhh!!! pass the bucket, denis quickly!!aaarrrggghhh!!! pass the bucket, denis quickly!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-57555539226894148612008-01-11T23:13:00.000+10:002008-01-11T23:13:00.000+10:00Because, dear Bill ...It is not a "political" sign...Because, dear Bill ...<BR/>It is not a "political" sign.<BR/>It does not encourage you to do anything ... like vote.<BR/>It is a statement and, it states the bleedin obvious ...<BR/>It's a bit like the Beattie Govt ads costing taxpayers millions saying how great they are managing the hospital system ...<BR/>aaarrrggghhh!!! pass the bucket, quickly!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-33214695163920841142008-01-11T22:44:00.000+10:002008-01-11T22:44:00.000+10:00ok Factman, once and for all.. explain why the s...ok Factman, once and for all.. explain why the size is allowed:-<BR/><BR/>The Cairns City Council By Law 28, section 5.6, states "A political advertisement area must not exceed 0.6 msq"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-18245434053402018652008-01-11T22:29:00.000+10:002008-01-11T22:29:00.000+10:00Hey Jude ...By-Law 28 couldn't care less what the ...Hey Jude ...<BR/>By-Law 28 couldn't care less what the sign is advertising ... a service/product/goods/real-estate etc.<BR/>as long as it meets the obvious community standards and that it's location is not a traffic or pedestrian hazard.<BR/>So this one it advertises a statement of FACT, instead of real estate for a couple of months?<BR/>Big deal ...<BR/>And lets face it, KB's sign is a lot more pleasant on the eye than ... "yet another subdivision".<BR/><BR/>and I'm still here on Planet Earth Hey Jude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-38771941049888361042008-01-11T22:13:00.000+10:002008-01-11T22:13:00.000+10:00Whinge Whinge Whinge.I bet the majority of you are...Whinge Whinge Whinge.<BR/><BR/>I bet the majority of you are Labor voters as well.<BR/><BR/>Jesus. The sign is there, deal with it.<BR/><BR/>Michael, stop trying to create controversy for your pitiful little blog, and if you ask why I'm here, well, don't we all need our dose of humorous BS?<BR/><BR/>KB will be in again, get used to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-66049204000227166782008-01-11T21:13:00.000+10:002008-01-11T21:13:00.000+10:00Bob Katter did a big sign like this so that's wher...Bob Katter did a big sign like this so that's where the idea has come from. Still, I reckon that it will lose votes rather than win them as it is so over the top.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-5697921499011085352008-01-11T20:58:00.000+10:002008-01-11T20:58:00.000+10:00Mr Factman, you have so much spin on that you are ...Mr Factman, you have so much spin on that you are starting to get dizzy. <BR/>How on earth does an approval granted to a Developer to advertise land for sale, become an advertisement for Kevin Byrne and the Unity Team (approved by Terry James).<BR/>Just what solar system has your spin taken you to, that you could believe that anybody will buy this "smoke and mirrors" nonsense.<BR/>Perhaps the matter should be referred to the Electoral Commission of Queensland to determine whether this is in breach of the rule governing election advertising. <BR/>Oops that's right it isn't a political advertisement!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-91007712720555226582008-01-11T20:30:00.000+10:002008-01-11T20:30:00.000+10:00Obviously CCC has no answer to this one now .. LOL...Obviously CCC has no answer to this one now .. LOL .. it is so funny.<BR/>So ... if I own a shop selling fish and chips ..and I get a sign advertising my business selling fish and chips approved .. then change the sign after approval to "I sleep with sheep on Wednesdays for those who wish to watch" .. I should not have to pull this sign down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-66872261221383562062008-01-11T19:19:00.000+10:002008-01-11T19:19:00.000+10:00Oh ... for heavens sake, Anonymous and all you oth...Oh ... for heavens sake, Anonymous and all you other wingers.<BR/>It is NOT a political sign.<BR/>It does note say, "Vote for Kev"<BR/>It is a statement of fact.<BR/>"Kevin Byrne and Unity - creating Australia's most LIVEABLE city"<BR/>In fact it is a sign with existing approval, (Northpoint Subdivision Development), with changed wording.<BR/>Nothing wrong with that.<BR/>Note like the Rudd/Turnour oversized political sign that was atop the showgrounds.<BR/>Get your own sign and stop winging ... geeez !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-80690550636772396352008-01-11T18:59:00.000+10:002008-01-11T18:59:00.000+10:00The siting of the Mayor's billboard should not com...The siting of the Mayor's billboard should not come as any surprise. Think Cairns Beaches Town Centre at Smithfield which I might add, was not an initiative of Council. Council were approached by Flanagan Consulting Group on behalf of, you guessed it, LHL Investments and Trinity Park Investments, landowners of the last two parcels of undeveloped land. Flanagan Consulting not only do planning work for Council but also development submissions for many of the big developers. You can draw your own conclusions but it is something that concerns me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com