tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post129397038959881159..comments2024-01-20T10:32:53.309+10:00Comments on CairnsBlog.net: Council & their community responsibilitiesMichael P Moorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02890121680113642715noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-21165585191667994182008-01-29T18:04:00.000+10:002008-01-29T18:04:00.000+10:00Grotty tin shed you say factman.Id be surprised if...Grotty tin shed you say factman.<BR/>Id be surprised if a high flyer like you had even stepped into the joint.<BR/>The patrons (myself included) are obviously grots in your eyes too, as we love it for its old time charm. (Bit of a local hang up on the past i hear... not to be commended at all.)<BR/>Well i might start hanging out at some of the flash joints you and Big Kev patronise.....nah cant stand the up em self attitudes.<BR/>You high class people can plot against us lower classes in peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-30883780250641079852008-01-29T12:18:00.000+10:002008-01-29T12:18:00.000+10:00Has the Byrne Council preserved anything???!!!Has the Byrne Council preserved anything???!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-57887310712643433492008-01-29T09:45:00.000+10:002008-01-29T09:45:00.000+10:00Factman is so right, Architects, Vets, Uni leaders...Factman is so right, Architects, Vets, Uni leaders, Greenies, Historians and a whole shipload of other people should not get in to council.<BR/> <BR/>But Factman has missed the main group called Ratepayers, those silly mugs who pay and pay rates taxes and actually finance Council, stuff em ..... anyway they probably haven't got a chance, as you would know Factman it takes a lot in elaction contributions to get anywhere these days, unless of course you could give them some advice on how to raise a quick few hundred thousand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-67111012187519336702008-01-28T22:13:00.000+10:002008-01-28T22:13:00.000+10:00Dear Factman to coin your phrase - let me put this...Dear Factman to coin your phrase - let me put this as simply as possible. Council should NEVER have objected to the heritage listing of the Cairns Yacht Club. The intent of the WTCRCMP was clear as was the support of the community for its listing. Yes, I agree that the State Government has a lot to answer for on this issue as it does with many issues which makes it even more imperative that Council decisions support and reflect the wishes of the community. If Council had supported the community and the listing, “we wouldn’t be having this conversation,” as you so quaintly put it.<BR/><BR/>As for the signs, I guess they are a statement of sorts. The property Council chose to put them on says something to many.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-20467707413806797382008-01-28T20:42:00.000+10:002008-01-28T20:42:00.000+10:00The Mayor has said those signs are part of his "Po...The Mayor has said those signs are part of his "Political Campaign"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-72865556947094499942008-01-28T19:45:00.000+10:002008-01-28T19:45:00.000+10:00Let me put this as simply as possible, Anonymous.A...Let me put this as simply as possible, Anonymous.<BR/><BR/>All Council did was object to heritage listing of the Cairns Yacht Club.<BR/>Everything else is in the hands of others.<BR/>If the CPA hadn't delivered the eviction notice, we wouldn't be having this conversation.<BR/><BR/>Council have gifted the club thousands of dollars for junior sail training and have forgone more thousands of dollars in unpaid rates.<BR/>You should be venting your spleen against those who are in control, namely those labor dogs who claim to represent the people of Cairns.<BR/><BR/>But you wont because you're blinded by a hatred of all things Bryne.<BR/><BR/>As for those attractive signs ... they are not political, they are simply a statement of fact. They do not encourage you to vote for any particular political party. If they did, then they would be "political".<BR/><BR/>Get over it ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-23673550469486040282008-01-28T12:57:00.000+10:002008-01-28T12:57:00.000+10:00Factman you just don’t get it and like Council pr...Factman you just don’t get it and like Council probably never will.<BR/>The WTCRCM Plan came into being following an extensive consultation process which included advisory bodies, the community etc. The Cairns Yacht Club was declared an Area of State Significance (cultural heritage) for a reason and the community has every right to expect that the intent and spirit of this plan be upheld. Regional coastal plans are an integral part of coastal management which includes protecting, conserving and managing natural and cultural resources.<BR/><BR/>What truly astounds me is the total lack of respect you and Council have for the community and for laws and policies. The community has every right to expect that the CairnsPlan means what it says but as we all know, it’s manipulated at will. The Unity advertising sign at Smithfield is another example of Council’s unbelievable attitude. First the claim it wasn’t a political sign. If it wasn’t a political sign then by definition under Schedule 5 for “Residential/Rural environment” it was an “off site” advertisement which is prohibited.<BR/>If now it is a “political sign,” then it is also illegal because it exceeds 0.6m2. I cannot understand how any Council can behave in the manner that this Council does, and believe that it is acceptable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-23744669214690319612008-01-28T00:07:00.000+10:002008-01-28T00:07:00.000+10:00Follow me said ..."This Council DID NOT SUPPORT re...Follow me said ...<I>"This Council DID NOT SUPPORT retaining the building"</I><BR/><BR/>If the Port Authority hadn't served the eviction notice then the Yacht Club would still be happily being there.<BR/><BR/>Council had nothing to do with the clubs notice to quit the site.<BR/><BR/>OK, so Council didn't support heritage listing. That's because it's heritage had nothing to do with the State's heritage or the building style, which is what the Heritage Listing Act is all about.<BR/>Sugar sheds, yes, drinking holes, no.<BR/>You know, the yacht club has not paid a fair lease price since 1992, nor has it paid any rates either.<BR/>The club's elected committee have accepted the inevitable and agreed to the generous offer from the tax payer funded State Government to relocate.<BR/><BR/>Where were those who are trying to save this grotty tin shed when the Masonic/Fishing/etc clubs lease's were terminated? <BR/><BR/>Drinking holes come and go ... ask the good folks at YarrabahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-90286006397037040842008-01-27T23:04:00.000+10:002008-01-27T23:04:00.000+10:00The Qld State Government and the Cairns City Counc...The Qld State Government and the Cairns City Council are both to blame for the current situation with the Cairns Yacht Club. The Wet Tropical Coast Regional Coastal Management Plan (WTCRCMP) is a statutory instrument under the Coastal Protection and Management Act 1995. It also has the effect of State planning policies under the Integrated Planning Act 1997. That means both the State Government and local governments are required to have regard for the plan when making decisions.<BR/>The Cairns Yacht Club is within Key Coastal Site 10, Trinity Inlet and is designated as an area of State Significance (cultural heritage) Map 25.<BR/>State Policy 2.6 Cultural heritage states:<BR/>“Places, buildings and objects with important cultural heritage values located on the coast are appreciated, conserved, managed and passed on to future generations.”<BR/>Principles include “decisions concerning cultural heritage are undertaken with the involvement of the relevant members of the community.”<BR/>Regional Policy 2.6.1 states: “areas of state significance (cultural heritage) are to be identified as valuable features in planning schemes and measures developed to protect them from incompatible development.”<BR/>The Cairns Yacht Club should have been entered in the Queensland Heritage Register in accordance with State Policy 2.6 and 2.6.1 and as state planning policy, the Cairns City Council should have reflected the intent of these policies in their planning scheme. It is abundantly clear under the WTCRCMP that the Cairns Yacht Club was deemed to have cultural heritage value and should have been protected and preserved where it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-89681005812169796012008-01-27T20:50:00.000+10:002008-01-27T20:50:00.000+10:00The Cairns City Council cannot abrogate its role i...The Cairns City Council cannot abrogate its role in the failure to list the Yacht Club as a heritage building. Had the Council listened to the people and based its submission on supporting the listing of the building, then this may very well have been enough pressure for John Bannock to have voted to preserve it. <BR/>Factman,it's no good pretending that the Council had nothing to do with it. The Cairns City Council and Kevin Byrne were "Yes men" who didn't have the foresight or nous to understand what heritage actually means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-66701338646135678152008-01-27T17:56:00.000+10:002008-01-27T17:56:00.000+10:00They continue to miss the point.This Council DID N...They continue to miss the point.<BR/><BR/>This Council DID NOT SUPPORT retaining the building... MNor lobby on behalf of the residents.<BR/><BR/>How many times do you have to spell it out to these nutters???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7878592054777492431.post-29904226891313750802008-01-27T14:43:00.000+10:002008-01-27T14:43:00.000+10:00It was the Cairns Port Authority that served the e...It was the Cairns Port Authority that served the eviction notice on the yacht club building, not the Council.<BR/><BR/>The CPA served the eviction notice because the lease had run out.<BR/><BR/>It's a bit like expecting the Chinese Government to allow the British to remain in Hong Kong by renewing the lease yet again. Oh yeah.<BR/><BR/>And there were a few heritage bits and pieces in Hong Kong as well.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the Port Authority just want "their land" back after 99 years. Sounds similar ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com